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posted by janrinok on Monday January 30 2017, @11:14PM   Printer-friendly
from the what-separation-of-powers dept.

From the what-separation-of-powers department:

The Department of Homeland Security has an update on the entry ban:

The Department of Homeland Security will continue to enforce all of President Trump's Executive Orders in a manner that ensures the safety and security of the American people. President Trump's Executive Orders remain in place—prohibited travel will remain prohibited, and the U.S. government retains its right to revoke visas at any time if required for national security or public safety. President Trump's Executive Order affects a minor portion of international travelers, and is a first step towards reestablishing control over America's borders and national security.

The NY Post adds:

The ACLU is getting "multiple reports" that federal customs agents are siding with President Trump — and willfully ignoring a Brooklyn federal judge's demand that travelers from seven Muslim countries not be deported from the nation's airports.


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  • (Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:51AM

    by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @10:51AM (#461143) Journal

    It all boils down to the fact that green card holders have no more rights than a visa holder.

    Which is farcical, why have two different documents if they are functionally identical? Why do foreigners jump through hoops (marriages of convenience etc) to get a green card if a visa is just as good? Doesn't pass the smell test, sorry. I think you are talking shit again. Besides, I can already see a significant difference just from the quotes in this thread: Visa holders can be denied at any time. Green card holders (AKA "legal permanent residents") must be given written notice - that's a huge difference. It means a green card holder can show up at the airport and (as long as they haven't received their written notice) be confident they will be admitted. Not so for visa holders.

    However Trump has made the distinction less clear in his hasty, ill-considered, poorly-implemented, irrational and bigoted decision.

    Oh, as for green card holders not being affected? Green card and visa holders were being blocked from boarding US-bound flights within hours of Donald Trump issuing an executive order [independent.co.uk]

    Green card holders were originally part of the ban and many were turned away at the airports. The White house have apparently U-turned on that after about a day of chaos, (although they were somewhat confused about it: Reince Priebus said the order "doesn't affect" green card holders, then {minutes} later said "of course" it affects green card holders [cnn.com] ). No Green card holders have been turned away since then, but green card holders from the 7 countries are likely to be subjected to extra "discretionary" scrutiny at the airport. Whether that involves a few extra background checks or a rigorous anal probing I don't know, but I do know if it was me I'd be very nervous about passing through a US airport.

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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:40PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:40PM (#461218) Journal

    I'm losing so badly here, I'm switching sides. I'm going to start arguing Bill Clinton's side of this thing. I'm tired of Trumping here.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FZXbG5gvoC0 [youtube.com]

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @05:17PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @05:17PM (#461308)

      Lol I was expecting something better. Podium rhetoric is not the best stuff to compare, gotta compare the actions. No one here is against immigration control as a thing, just the manner in which we go about it. You conservatives really need to stop acting like liberals hate everything you stand for, because most of the time there is middle ground to be had.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @09:25PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @09:25PM (#461434)

      But for you there are no sides, there is only "Runaway". You are like Trump in that regard, an ego so big and so unselfconscious that there is no room for anything else, let alone "sides".