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posted by mrpg on Tuesday January 31 2017, @11:14AM   Printer-friendly
from the god-is-pleased dept.

Not only in America, teaching evolution is under attack. Indeed, future Turkish children will likely not learn about evolution in school, as soL international reports:

İsmet Yılmaz, the Minister of National Education in Turkey on Friday announced the new curriculum draft for school. After the draft is finalized, textbooks will be published based on the new draft to be used starting from 2017-2018 academic year.

The new curriculum draft brings some radical changes:

[...] Evolution Theory is excluded from Biology courses. The related unit named "The Origins of Life and the Evolution" is replaced with "Living Beings and Environment".

This is actually not the first strike against evolution in Turkey:

In 2013, the government had made a regulation, which let the Intelligent Design model to be included in the curriculum besides the Evolution Theory.

Also at Turkish Minute: Gov't removes evolution theory from new school curriculum

Related: What is Turkey's problem with Darwin?


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bzipitidoo on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:21PM

    by bzipitidoo (4388) on Tuesday January 31 2017, @02:21PM (#461201) Journal

    Wonder how well Islamic Creationists get along with Christian Creationists? Would a "good" Christian rather be in the same room with someone who follows Jesus and accepts Darwin, or someone who follows Muhammed and denies Darwin?

    Something to realize is this is never about Evolution per se. It's about science and rationality, which some of the religious perceive as a threat to and competition with their religion. Evolution is merely the bit of science they've singled out for condemnation. Propagandists are hot to trash rationality and fact, and only too happy to make an unholy alliance with religion to that effect.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @08:41PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday January 31 2017, @08:41PM (#461412)

    Wonder how well Islamic Creationists get along with Christian Creationists? Would a "good" Christian rather be in the same room with someone who follows Jesus and accepts Darwin, or someone who follows Muhammed and denies Darwin?
    Something to realize is this is never about Evolution per se. It's about science and rationality, which some of the religious perceive as a threat to and competition with their religion. Evolution is merely the bit of science they've singled out for condemnation. Propagandists are hot to trash rationality and fact, and only too happy to make an unholy alliance with religion to that effect.

    Great questions and observations. First I'll comment on the observations: from my perspective, too many people dumb down the whole topic, trying to reduce it to simple all or nothing thinking. It's far far more complex and layered, and very frustrating when I read the many ignorant comments here and elsewhere. Talk about uneducated "experts".

    I'm a Christian who, among many things, believes strongly in preserving the environment. I state that because so many ignorant people (usually, ironically, liberals who say they don't believe in stereotyping) will lump me into the "religious right", which I am not, and certainly do not identify with many issues being incorrectly applied to all Christians.

    One of the big problems I see in society is that in general people's "knowledge" about a topic is based on news media, who make their needed $ selling stories, and generally only sensational stuff makes good "print" or TV. Case in point: there are a few radical people out there who do crazy things in the name of X, Y, Z, and human nature is to therefor lump everyone under that category into all of the traits of the radical. It really offends me to hear people talk about "radical right wing religious nut". I wish people were more intelligent.

    A Christian is a person who follows the teachings of Jesus Christ. So to identify a Christian properly, you have to know at least some of the teachings of Christ. There are many liars who call themselves "christian" and make a bad name and reputation for Christianity.

    The point I wanted to make is that most of us "good" Christians believe in and follow the teachings of Jesus Christ, which include love as the #1 thing. You don't kill someone in love. That should be obvious. As a Christian, I not only do not have a problem being in a room with an atheist, or Moslem, or whatever, I am commanded to love them, give to them, etc.

    Here's a great example you don't hear about much in the liberal media: The mostly Moslem (Islamist) nation of Indonesia used to hate Christians to the point that Christian missionaries there had to carefully conceal their religious beliefs, and many have been killed for it. When the big Tsunami happened in 2004 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake_and_tsunami [wikipedia.org] (it seems more recent) Indonesia was hit very very hard. Christians from around the world poured in to help rescue, rebuild, medically, etc., to the point that Indonesia as a nation had a huge change of heart toward Christianity and you can now openly express Christian belief, church, etc. There are still radicals who want to kill Christians, but generally it's safe. The point is that the people of Indonesia were mind-numbed by their leaders (religious and govt.) and media to believe Christians were evil and needed to be killed. When they saw the truth in action, rather than media lies and spin, they woke up.

    The bottom line is: my Christian Bible says Christians are commanded to love _all_ people and to show that love in actions. Hurting someone is not love. The Bible also says "you will know them by their fruits" - the word fruit was a very common analogy in those times and it simply means what comes of their actions. So if you see someone doing evil, they are _NOT_ Christian, or certainly not behaving in a Christian way.

    • (Score: 2) by bzipitidoo on Wednesday February 01 2017, @02:53AM

      by bzipitidoo (4388) on Wednesday February 01 2017, @02:53AM (#461532) Journal

      > news media, who make their needed $ selling stories

      Took me a long time but I figured out some time ago that the media is far more biased towards drama than left or right. Drama sells. Fight! Fight! Fight!

      > There are many liars who call themselves "christian" and make a bad name and reputation for Christianity.

      This is also a problem in science. And anything with a good reputation and lots of respect. All kinds of charlatans and cranks would love to be regarded as scientists. Scientists use various means for weeding out the garbage, such as peer review. They aren't perfect, but they've been fairly successful.

      Inspiring story about Indonesia. Keep it up! I hope your cheek doesn't get too sore.