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on Monday February 06 2017, @09:17PM
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from the is-there-an-all-fake-news-sites-are-liars-paradox dept.
Over the last few months, we've talked about the weird obsession some people upset by the results of the election have had with the concept of "fake news." We warned that focusing on "fake news" as a problem was not just silly and pointless, but that it would quickly morph into calls for censorship. And, even worse, that censorship power would be in the hands of whoever got to define what "fake news" was.
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Croll's Query:
If tin whistles are made of tin, what are foghorns made of?
(Score: 1, Troll) by VLM on Monday February 06 2017, @09:33PM
The establishment lefties are going thru the usual psychological stages of grief about their obsolete belief system getting rejected by a majority of the population.
Stages of grief don't necessarily result in the most rational outbursts. So it would be pretty dumb for the losers to propose policy for at least a year or two until their emotions settle and some rational thought can appear.
I'm saying this mostly as a devils advocate. Personally I think they should thrash around insanely lashing out randomly looking like babies having a temper tantrum because "my side" will come out far ahead.
Due to various purges there seems to be no adult leadership of the D party at this time which is why the calmest most rational advice most likely to bring them to victory in the future is coming from a devils advocate who's firmly on the other side. The lack of adult leadership means they're doomed anyway, and my being white and their being anti-white and into identity politics means I could serve up a winning platform for the D party on a platter and they'd refuse it because I'm a Fing white male and they hate my kind.
I don't think Trump is far enough right wing, and/or he's holding back until the temper tantrum's settle a bit. I mean, he's not even giving free helicopter rides to leftist intellectuals yet, he doesn't have camps set up, none of that. Lefties call him Hitler, which is a little encouraging, but he has a hell of a long way to go to get where he needs to be. Maybe the next guy? Watching Berkeley CA liberal types call him Hitler is like having them call Chicago "New York City". Sure you got yer hearts in the right place but I know Chicago, and you got to move a hell of a long way rightward on the map to reach New York City. I'm sure in crazy california anything east of the burbs in LA is like literally NYC but I assure you Trumps got a hell of a long way rightward to go to get where he needs to be.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 06 2017, @09:58PM
So it would be pretty dumb for the losers to propose policy for at least a year or two until their emotions settle and some rational thought can appear.
It would be pretty dumb to appear complacent with the R side doing whatever they want while your constituents are pissed-off. The R team demonstrated that the obstructive strategy was very effective, but the D team doesn't seem to have the party unity or the spine that the R team had when they were down.
Do you really want Trump to be more right wing? It sounds like you want him to be more authoritarian and less libertarian.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 06 2017, @09:58PM
The right always complains about the alleged "mass left bias" of college professors, Hollywood, and "main stream media". BOTH sides complain about similar things with regard to "news", just from different sources. It doesn't hurt to float suggestions.
So both parties have the same problem now. One has an orange toddler that just happens to be at the main desk.
Both sides think the other is screwing them. I won't get into that long and messy topic today.
Being right-leaning is only part of the key complaints against T. Erratic, petty, and xenophobic behavior also stands out.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by isostatic on Monday February 06 2017, @10:13PM
rejected by a majority of the population.
I wasn't aware 45.9% constituted a majority.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by slinches on Monday February 06 2017, @11:38PM
I think he was referencing the >50% that didn't vote for the establishment democrat candidate.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Tuesday February 07 2017, @09:18AM
Clearly a good reason why the alternate vote system should be used in presidential elections, it would give people a chance to vote for someone other than Kang/Kodos without worrying that Kang might get in.
It's a shame Bernie wasn't put forward as candidate for the dems, he was by far the best choice especially against Trump, but enough Dems were mobilised to vote with their brain rather than their hearts. It's a shame a sensible Republican wasn't put forward too, on the order of Mccain or Romney.
Either way, more people rejected the divisive policies of Trump. 25.4% voted for Trump.
By comparison 25.9% voted for Romney in 2012, 26.6% voted for McCain , 27.4% voted for Kerry. It hasn't been since Bush the Second that fewer people voted for a main party candidate.
Fewer and fewer people are backing the Republicans each year. Whether you're a trump fan or not, a GOP fan or not, it's a concern, both in the party, the president, and the legitimacy of democracy at it's core.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday February 06 2017, @10:19PM
Oh burn in Hell you stupid bastard. "Your side" is not ON "your side." They care for no one but themselves. You'll envy the dead if "your side" ever get their way.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by VLM on Monday February 06 2017, @10:42PM
Thats what I mean about the whole Kübler-Ross model thingy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K%C3%BCbler-Ross_model [wikipedia.org]
We sat thru the endless violent demonstrations of "He's not my president" and "The Russians hacked the election" and "It was all due to Fake News" and now we're going thru the whole "I hate the world phase". Look at the recent uptick in political violence at demonstrations. Traditionally this is when political parties turn on themselves and do a nice big ole purge.
Eventually we'll see a stage of "next time I'm gonna campaign really harder for ... whoever is the D nominee Warren I donno" maybe even a hint of bipartisianship, maybe. "Sure we lost but its not all bad we can always riot and I need new tennis shoes anyway"
After that some depression "ah well a thousand year reich at least its not two thousand years" "I can always move to Canada, maybe"
Finally they'll be some acceptance and they'll be able to think rationally and maybe be a threat in the next election, if they chill out that fast, which is possible...
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 06 2017, @10:52PM
I will grant that you said "establishment lefties" therefore targeting the Democratic party, and sure they need their asses handed to them almost as much as the Republicans.
But now you're branching out to all "progressives" so you're really just a partisan hack. Its funny how you got the whole "majority of the country" part totally wrong... guess everyone can tell themselves pretty little lies to boost their own self-esteem as if their crappy world views are validated.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday February 07 2017, @12:02AM
The "stages of grief," and grief itself, are luxuries. I cannot afford them. So I don't have them. Instead, I have what I've always had: pure, clearsighted, simple vision. I've seen this show before; it never ends well. And it's always small-time nobodies like you who think you stand to gain from this sort of chaos that are cheering it on, to your soul's peril.
People like you appear in every era, and in every era, their fate is the same...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 07 2017, @02:24AM
LMAO - you're the only one with clear vision. Yeah - got it.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday February 07 2017, @03:26AM
One of many. I'm just a lot less polite about it than most. If that bothers you? Then gb2/hugbox/, Runaway. Don't make me come for you with the belt like your daddy did; you may find women are even worse.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday February 07 2017, @04:04AM
You're being downright silly now. You actually want to try to CREATE a mysogenist? Women are going to love you for that.
Good luck to you or anyone else coming after me anyway. I'm not a helpless pre-teen anymore. Funny thing about abusing children. The children tend to grow up, but all you have to look forward to is growing old. The children will get their vengeance, eventually.
And, no, your vision isn't any clearer than Joe Redneck Sixpack and his family. Keep telling yourself that it is, but that doesn't make it so. Liberals/progressives are no less gullible than conservatives. You're just listening to a different pied piper.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday February 08 2017, @01:21AM
Masturbation is public is illegal. Put that tiny thing away before it gets caught in yer zipper.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 08 2017, @03:07AM
There you go again - obsessing over my equipment. You're just not right, 'zumi.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday February 08 2017, @05:55AM
Then stop wasting oxygen and electrons replying to me. You have these moments of occasional lucidity that make me think you can still be saved, but by and large i see you becoming more and more nihilistic and amoral. You won't break the cycle, so maybe you need to suffer more until you have motivation to.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 08 2017, @02:53PM
Don't try to save me - I'm perfectly happy where I am.
As for oxygen and electrons - they aren't yours, so you have no say over how I use them.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday February 08 2017, @06:57PM
You aren't even close to perfectly happy. No one who was happy would act like you do. But you know, that's fine; I'm about out of drive to invest in people like you. The country's in a tailspin and now I have to focus on survival. You can join the real whackaloons we've got here in hell.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by Sulla on Tuesday February 07 2017, @02:55AM
First they came for the x, I was not an x so I did nothing
Then they came for the y, but I was not a y so I did nothing
Then they came for the z, but I was not a z so I did nothing.
The warning we are supposed to take from this is that as a z I need to make sure and stick up for the x. When this all began I had the opinion that if it goes down the way the x fears, I will step in as a z. Unfortunately the x decide rather than be helped they would rather call z a monster. As this has progressed, I will end up waiting for y before I decide to act. Because y isn't calling me a monster. Guess in the end I will become what I fight, but at least I wont have to deal with x anymore.
So good job doing the job of the fascist by choosing to divide us yourself. All z cared about was someone who at least lied about caring and trying to find them employment, and for that they are told they are privaledged and the problem of all the worlds ills. Now they care about making x shut up, congrats. Hard to say "I am x and I am not the problem" while rioting and destroying the goods, homes, and persons in y, z, lmnop.
Ceterum censeo Sinae esse delendam
(Score: -1, Troll) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday February 06 2017, @11:32PM
I knew you wouldn't be able to help yourself. Kudos on another well thought-out, intellectually stimulating response. Now, cap it off by telling me how evil I am and that I'm going to hell too. Pretty please?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Monday February 06 2017, @11:57PM
Why? We all know it already. Maybe you and he can save some money and get a group ticket. I gave up on you ages ago.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 07 2017, @03:43PM
Ahh TMB never loose that petty trollishiness. You realize the rest of the staff keep you around only because they dont want to appear too liberal. Thats right you are the token righty on staff. Thats like working for NBC. How do you sleep at night?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday February 07 2017, @05:33PM
Naked. What? He asked...
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Funny) by moondoctor on Monday February 06 2017, @11:42PM
Fish on!!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 06 2017, @10:39PM
LOL. Thanks Spicer, that troll made my day. In fact, it was rejected by the largest landslide margin in the history of histories.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 07 2017, @06:06AM
The establishment lefties are going thru the usual psychological stages of grief about their obsolete belief system getting rejected by a majority of the population.
Voting "anyone but Clinton" is no more rejection of any given political idea than voting "anyone who will advocate for the restoration of German pride" is endorsement of putting people in concentration camps.
Lefties call him Hitler
I don't call him Hitler. The vocal minorities of communist revolutionaries and political hippies does not represent everyone, do not attribute their toxic bile to the silent majority.
(Score: 2) by Bogsnoticus on Tuesday February 07 2017, @06:42AM
> "The establishment lefties are going thru the usual psychological stages of grief about their obsolete belief system getting rejected by a majority of the population."
No, the majority supported it. The Electoral College rejected it. Big difference.
Genius by birth. Evil by choice.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Tuesday February 07 2017, @04:13PM
Majority of voters != majority of the population
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"