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on Monday February 06 2017, @09:17PM
from the is-there-an-all-fake-news-sites-are-liars-paradox dept.
from the is-there-an-all-fake-news-sites-are-liars-paradox dept.
Over the last few months, we've talked about the weird obsession some people upset by the results of the election have had with the concept of "fake news." We warned that focusing on "fake news" as a problem was not just silly and pointless, but that it would quickly morph into calls for censorship. And, even worse, that censorship power would be in the hands of whoever got to define what "fake news" was.
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Can anyone remember when the times were not hard, and money not scarce?
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Monday February 06 2017, @11:46PM
Just curious, which party holds most of the jobs in education? You think there might be some causation there or just a really big coincidence?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 07 2017, @12:31AM
It's probably the same party that owns the scientists and maintains the global conspiracy on global warming, evolution and gravitational "theory".
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 07 2017, @03:51PM
Do I think it is a coincidence that the majority of people with higher education disagree with trump and his policies... Hmm IDK what do you think TMB. Could all the educated people be wrong and you and your friends playing banjo over there are right? DO you really think its some sort of conspiracy, or can you just for a minute make your mind pliable enough to say, hey.... Maybe I am wrong.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday February 07 2017, @05:32PM
No, sweety, do you think it's a coincidence that progressives run our schools and that our schools are failing miserably while eating up ever larger portions of our budgets?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2, Troll) by aristarchus on Tuesday February 07 2017, @06:28PM
do you think it's a coincidence that progressives run our schools and that our schools are failing miserably while eating up ever larger portions of our budgets?
It is not so much that it is coincidence as it is not true? Have you been listening to President Tiny Hands, or his Sec Ed nominee again? Not failing, not all that expensive. Fake News! It is the culture war by the right that is making America Ignorant Again. Just imagine if conservatives ran schools! Conservapedia type schools? Special Schools where the Professor Watchlist people would have safe-from-ideas zones, poor babies. Kansas schools? Yes, oh Minty Busstie', there is a correlation between education and progressivism, but the causation runs the opposite of the way you assume.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday February 07 2017, @07:10PM
Aristarchus, no matter how vehemently say it, a lie will always be a lie. We've been headed nowhere but down in education for decades now. We're not even in the top ten anymore. Despite throwing neverending piles of progressively (pun intended) more cash at it. You don't get to have alternative facts.
I expect if conservatives ran education, standards would be set, results would be demanded, and those that couldn't manage them would fail. I also expect private schools would become a much more attractive option for the middle class and the poor, being the greedy fuckwads they are, would demand what they want even though they haven't earned it and their kids would be given vouchers for private schools as well. Then the public school system would collapse without anyone except those whose livelihoods depended on mediocrity to mourn it. Then we'd soon have the same problem with K-12 that we have with universities. Outrageous fees because they're guaranteed to be paid by the feds.
Neither major party has the solution. And it doesn't lie somewhere in the middle. An actual workable solution is going to have to be started from the ground up. Preferably without a single politician or bureaucrat involved until it comes time to vote for it.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Troll) by aristarchus on Wednesday February 08 2017, @02:45AM
We've been headed nowhere but down in education for decades now. We're not even in the top ten anymore. Despite throwing neverending piles of progressively (pun intended) more cash at it. You don't get to have alternative facts.
I know this cramps your style, Buzz, but prove it. My facts are not alternative if your facts are not facts at all but Fox News/Trump Inauguration memes!
an education system flush with cash, but which leaves our young and beautiful students deprived of all knowledge, and the crime, and the gangs, and the drugs that have stolen too many lives and robbed our country of so much unrealized potential. This American carnage stops right here and stops right now.
Our young and beautiful students, with pageant scholarships, no doubt, deprived of all knowledge! All! Just look a the American educational carnage! Kids these days are not just a little bit ignorant, they do not just place lower than Finnish kids on standardized testss, the have no knowledge at all. Zip. Nada. Bupkiss!! So I can see why you are so upset, Buzz. You musta been one o' those students!! Oh, the huge manatee!!! (It would be Huge, wouldn't it.)
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday February 08 2017, @03:10AM
Well, you did ask for it, so here you go [cnn.com].
Yay! We only suck horribly instead of atrociously! Fuck's sake, we're the richest nation in the world. We can do better than this.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Redundant) by aristarchus on Wednesday February 08 2017, @09:46AM
The US improved on its 2012 performance by moving up to 25 on the list.
Yay! We only suck horribly instead of atrociously! Fuck's sake, we're the richest nation in the world. We can do better than this.
Yeah, but:
In terms of countries’ education expenditures by education level in 2012, the percentage of GDP the United States spent on elementary/secondary education (3.6 percent) was slightly lower than the OECD average (3.7 percent).
And we can do better at interpreting stats? From 36th to 25th? How is such a dramatic improvement possible, whilst American Educational Carnage is going on? And Rank tells us very little. What were the average, mean, and medians? Maybe you only suck moderately, which is remarkable and a salute to your educators, since they have to operate in an environment of American anti-intellectualism, hatred of teachers, revilement of teachers unions, and the insult of having a total idiot appointed to be the Secretary of Education.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday February 08 2017, @10:54AM
Yes, I'm sure that someone just appointed has made a huge impact on past numbers.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Wednesday February 08 2017, @06:44PM
The fact that Betsy DeVos could be appointed speaks volumes more about the state of education in America than any test results. Result, not a cause; symptom, not the disease. Someone asked, how dumb can the US Senate be? And the Trump admin said, "Let's find out!" Now we know, and knowing is half the battle. Unfortunately, we will never actually get to the second half.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday February 09 2017, @02:59AM
You're right, identity is way more important than results. What was I thinking?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday February 09 2017, @04:33AM
identity is way more important than results.
This is one of the major blockages in right wing feefees in America. It is not about identity, it is about competence. DeVos is incompetent. She also happens to benefit from the Amway fortune, and be the sister of Blackwater founder and ex-patriot, Erik Prince. But all that is neither here nor there, she could not identify "results" because for her, ignorance and religion are the result of what she calls "education". Oh, and "school choice" allows wealthier white parents to choose schools that the poor and non-white cannot afford, even with the wonderful freemarket, government enforced, voucher system.
What was I thinking?
We have discussed this before, Bighty Musstard! It is not "what", it is the lack of "thinking". You have completely changed the topic, avoided addressing the actual stats on American education, well done, oh champion of libertarianism! I will have to take this as an admission that you got nothing, nothing but Trump. And having Trump is actually worse than nothing, as the Republican party is about to find out.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Thursday February 09 2017, @11:21AM
And this is why you will always be a better troll than Azuma Hazuki, though I would have went with "Blighty" instead.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by aristarchus on Tuesday February 14 2017, @04:25AM
A "bight" is a version of a "bend", something of a tight knot. A Blight is a disease that affects plants, mostly. I stick by my choice. But if you prefer, you could have it your way.