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posted by janrinok on Sunday February 12 2017, @09:59PM   Printer-friendly
from the come-fly-the-discriminatory-skies dept.

TechDirt reports

Thanks to FOIA requests (and lawsuits), the ACLU has gathered enough documents to provide a comprehensive report [PDF] on the worthlessness of the TSA's "Behavioral Detection" program. Meant to give the agency a better way of proactively thwarting acts of terrorism, the program instead opts for lazy profiling, dubious readings of behavioral cues, and junk science.

The documents[1] show the evolution of the behavior detection program and make clear the extent to which it is a program of surveillance of unsuspecting travelers based on unreliable indicators. "Behavior detection officers", some of them dressed in plain clothes, scrutinize travelers at airports for over 90 behaviors that the TSA associates with stress, fear, or deception, looking for what the TSA calls signs of "mal-intent". The reliability of these so-called indicators is not supported by the scientific studies in the TSA files. The behavior detection officers may then engage travelers in "casual conversation" that is actually an effort to probe the basis for any purported signs of deception. When the officers think they perceive those behaviors, they follow the travelers, subject them to additional screening, and at times bring in law enforcement officers who can investigate them further.

The TSA has repeatedly claimed that the behavior detection program is grounded in valid science, but the records that the ACLU obtained show that the TSA has in its possession a significant body of research that contradicts those claims.

[1] Duplicate link in TFA.

[Ed. Note: Non mobile link here to source article here.]


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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 13 2017, @12:42AM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 13 2017, @12:42AM (#466382) Journal

    Israel unabashedly profiles people. And, mostly, it works.

    The US refuses to profile people, so they look around for other methods - and shockingly, it turns out that it's just another form of profiling. Except, it doesn't work for shit. Maybe it's time we dropped the pretenses, and take some lessons from Israel. Let's start openly profiling, but first take some lessons from Israel. It will probably be only half as good as Israel's questionable profiling. But, at least we won't see idiot TSA agents groping Grandma and her 9 year old granddaughter at the airport. Most terrorists are military age males, for starters. Can we at least drop the full-retard approach to the "War on Terra"?

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 13 2017, @02:19AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 13 2017, @02:19AM (#466420)

    Pretty sure this is the item GGP is referencing.
    from "60 Minutes" January 2002
    The Safest Airline [googleusercontent.com] (orig) [cbsnews.com]

    Note that they use college graduates (former military officers), not high school dropouts like USA.

    The US refuses to profile people

    In the TechDirt article, there's a list of stuff that would get a woman "special handling".
    It amounts to "is female".

    take some lessons from Israel

    Note also from the CBS article that Israel's approach includes a **layered** perimeter.

    After going through the Kansas City airport, it's clear to me that USA's airport terminals would have to be rebuilt from scratch to have any kind of actual security.

    -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

    • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Monday February 13 2017, @11:40AM

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday February 13 2017, @11:40AM (#466538) Journal

      I just realized that a lot of our people are much younger than I am. Maybe even you? Anyway - it's worth reminding the world WHY Israel is the way it is.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Entebbe [wikipedia.org]

      It is also worth mentioning that the "shoot the hostage" approach has been attributed to the Israelis, many time. That "shoot the hostage" phrase is not quite accurate. It's more accurate to say "The hostages are already dead." Since you can't kill a dead man, whether he is walking around or not, there is simply no reason NOT to shoot into his vicinity.

      Politically, I don't like the Israelies a whole lot. But, militarily, I almost admire them. As your link points out, they're serious. There are no half measures with them. Methods are either effective, or ineffective - and profiling has proven pretty damned effective. Yeah, they get a lot of false positives. They'll grill an innocent twit for hours, or days, until they are CONVINCED that twit is just a twit.

      But the alternatives really suck.

      • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Monday February 13 2017, @12:16PM

        by TheRaven (270) on Monday February 13 2017, @12:16PM (#466543) Journal
        The Russians have the same strategy with hostage situations. It works pretty well as a deterrent because potential hostage takers know that the objective in any hostage situation is to kill the hostage takers. In the US and most of Europe, the objective is to free the hostages. This means that taking hostages gives you something to bargain with, rather than just making you a higher-value target.
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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 13 2017, @05:04PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 13 2017, @05:04PM (#466658)

        the innocent are always twits to an authoritarian

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 13 2017, @07:00AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 13 2017, @07:00AM (#466490)

    But, at least we won't see idiot TSA agents groping Grandma and her 9 year old granddaughter at the airport. Most terrorists are military age males, for starters.

    As soon as you make an exception it becomes a vulnerability.
    They don't even have to be aware of their participation. [wikipedia.org]

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by bradley13 on Monday February 13 2017, @08:10AM

    by bradley13 (3053) on Monday February 13 2017, @08:10AM (#466510) Homepage Journal

    First, outside of the SJW world, there is nothing wrong with profiling. Your young, swarthy male is immensely more likely to be a threat than your ancient, asian grandmother. While some random checks are essential, concentrating limited resources on the demographics more likely to pose threats is common sense.

    That said, the unstated problem are false positives. People act like false positives are not a problem, but that is simply not true. False positives obviously inconvenience the people targeted; any profiled groups will be overrepresented here. Far worse (imho): false positives destroy trust in the capabilities of the system.

    Car analogy (and a true one): My car has some sensor for ice on the road, and shrills a warning when this is detected. It is apparently based mainly on temperature, so it goes off *all the time* when the temperature is around freezing, even if the road is absolutely dry. These false positives have conditioned me to ignore the damned thing. Some day, when there really is ice, the warning will be useless.

    When what you're doing doesn't work (and TSA-style security doesn't work [cnn.com]), then you should do something different. Current practice generates false positives, while missing actual weapons and explosives. It doesn't work. So what can we do?

    Personally, I'm all for completely eliminating security checks. Armor the cockpits (already done), so that terrorists cannot take over a plane, and planes are - frankly - no longer attractive targets. Someone wanting to kill lots of people is more likely to target the TSA security lines, or a sports arena, or a night club, or any of a hundred other targets. If planes are no longer attractive targets, frankly, we should simply eliminate the security entirely. That will eliminate those TSA lines, and return literally billions of hours of travellers' lives every year. If you cannot imagine eliminating security entirely, then put an armed air marshal on every flight - that will still be less expensive, and still save those billions of hours.

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 13 2017, @09:42AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday February 13 2017, @09:42AM (#466521)

      First, outside of the SJW world,

      Get a room already.

    • (Score: 2) by TheRaven on Monday February 13 2017, @12:20PM

      by TheRaven (270) on Monday February 13 2017, @12:20PM (#466545) Journal

      Your young, swarthy male is immensely more likely to be a threat than your ancient, asian grandmother

      He might be the one that's going to blow up the plane, but if she's less likely to be checked then it makes sense for him to have her carry the bomb through security. She doesn't even have to be booked on the same flight, just one leaving within a few hours of his. And if the bomb is found on her, she can always claim some nice man asked him to look after it for her and she's so old and confused that she forgot that she was still carrying it (and probably get away with it). The same applies to small children.

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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Monday February 13 2017, @10:35AM

    by FatPhil (863) <reversethis-{if.fdsa} {ta} {tnelyos-cp}> on Monday February 13 2017, @10:35AM (#466530) Homepage
    > Israel unabashedly profiles people. And, mostly, it works.

    Questionable. I say that as someone with Palestinian relatives.

    > Most terrorists are military age males, for starters.

    So why did Israel unabashedly flag females who are in relationships but flying alone as being a threat?

    Because they were mules, if you can't work it out for yourself. Perhaps the females have started to think for themselves now and are refusing to do the suicide missions at the behest of the males that previously dominated them, and so this pattern is seen less often, but it was a pattern a couple of decades ago.
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