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posted by janrinok on Tuesday February 14 2017, @09:34AM   Printer-friendly
from the it's-not-what-you-know... dept.

A large majority of geeks are enamored with nuclear power -- it's very cool technology after all. The problem of course, is that a nuclear power plant is a complex piece of machinery and successfully building one to operate safely is a delicate task, a lesson Toshiba learned the hard way:

Those troubled projects in the American South are now threatening the Japanese icon's foundations. The value of Toshiba shares has been cut in half over the last six weeks, wiping out more than $7 billion in market value.

It appears a huge part of the problem stems from reliance on a pipe supplier. James Bernhard Jr. bought a pipe fabrication business ("Shaw") for $50k in a bankruptcy deal and then used his awesome dealmaking ability to parlay that into becoming Toshiba's plumber. Of course, in the modern world being a great businessman means sucking money down like a frat boy at a keg, and Bernhard went on to sell Shaw for $3.3 billion even while screwing up all the pipes (from TFA linked above):

After Westinghouse hired Shaw to handle construction in 2008, it wasn't long before the company's work came under scrutiny. By early 2012, NRC inspectors found steel in the foundation of one reactor had been installed improperly. A 300-ton reactor vessel nearly fell off a rail car. The wrong welds were used on nuclear modules and had to be redone. Shaw "clearly lacked experience in the nuclear power industry and was not prepared for the rigor and attention to detail required,'' Bill Jacobs, who had been selected as the state's monitor for the project, told the Georgia Public Service Commission in late 2012.

So there you have it. The reason some geeks (me for example) oppose nuclear power has nothing to do with the technology, and absolutely everything to do with the morons who run it. Businessmen being in charge of this technology means it will never achieve its potential and that it will always be dangerous, because by the time something goes wrong, they'll be spending their billions on hookers and blow in some remote private tropical island paradise, far far away from any consequences of any kind.


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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by khallow on Tuesday February 14 2017, @02:22PM

    by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 14 2017, @02:22PM (#466946) Journal

    Correct. Free Markets work on a quarterly basis. A nuclear power plant needs to be designed, constructed, operated and decommissioned on a 100 year time scale. Only Public management and funding makes sense.

    No, that has nothing to do with free markets which are merely very low regulation markets (completely absent in the nuclear power world). And I'll note here that a key reason "quarterly basis" thinking works at all is because of government "too big to fail" bailouts and government policies like Keynesian spending which eliminate a fair bit of business risk - both greatly reduce risk that would otherwise trip up short term thinkers.

    Free markets are one of those things that are criticized when they are deliberately broken badly. Kind of like complaining that the car doesn't handle well when you remove an axle.

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  • (Score: 2) by turgid on Tuesday February 14 2017, @02:28PM

    by turgid (4318) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 14 2017, @02:28PM (#466948) Journal

    Point missed completely. If you subject your nuclear power station to "Free Market" forces, how can you guarantee that you're going to be profitable next quarter, let alone over the many decades that the plant will exist?

  • (Score: 2) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Tuesday February 14 2017, @04:00PM

    by Scruffy Beard 2 (6030) on Tuesday February 14 2017, @04:00PM (#466976)

    According to market theory, capital costs (barriers to entry) do not exist.

    More fundamentally, the price system ignores externalities. That is why you need governments imposing things like carbon taxes.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday February 15 2017, @03:52AM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 15 2017, @03:52AM (#467223) Journal

      According to market theory, capital costs (barriers to entry) do not exist.

      Sounds like a pretty solid reason to decide that "market theory" doesn't fully apply then.

      More fundamentally, the price system ignores externalities. That is why you need governments imposing things like carbon taxes.

      I agree. But governments aren't particularly good at deciding what the externalities are either.