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posted by martyb on Tuesday February 21 2017, @12:48PM   Printer-friendly
from the not-ignoring-ignorance dept.

From the I've-heard-enough-and-won't-take-it-anymore department, http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-39024648

The BBC reports that former Congressman Rush Holt, now part of the American Association for the Advancement of Science (AAAS), is the spokesman for a movement "standing up for science".

His remarks reflect growing concern among researchers that science is disregarded by President Trump.

Scientists across the US plan to march in DC on 22 April.

[...] "To see young scientists, older scientists, the general public speaking up for the idea of science. We are going to work with our members and affiliated organisations to see that this march for science is a success."

Mr Holt made his comments at the AAAS annual meting in Boston as President Trump appointed a fierce critic of the Environmental Protection Agency as its head. Scott Pruitt has spent years fighting the role and reach of the EPA.


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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21 2017, @03:12PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21 2017, @03:12PM (#469706)

    Selective memory, or not being a citizen you just didn't pay enough attention? There were plenty of people screaming about Obama for all 8 years, and if you can't see how Trump's first month in office is beyond scary, how he is already failing on promises and leading us toward disaster, then please keep your comments to yourself. This is not about hurt feelings, that is a real life meme being used to sweep dissent under the rug.

    The astroturfing is real folks.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by looorg on Tuesday February 21 2017, @03:33PM

    by looorg (578) on Tuesday February 21 2017, @03:33PM (#469715)

    I wasn't saying there wasn't people screaming bloody murder about Obama for 8 years, calling him Obongo, that whole thing about him being a secret muslim, being born in America or not, people not being ecstatic about Obamacare or whatever. I recall that to. What I said was that there was no massive demonstrations every week right after he got into office from the people that lost. At least non that I can recall. But if you can dig some up some info on those that would be awesome. Clearly I have been missing out.

    People that don't agree with you should STFU and keep their comments to themselves? That is rich coming from an AC coward. So you decide the opinions that are allowed to be expressed? Is this the democracy where you are just allowed to express what you think if you agree with you? Nice. The people that did vote for Trump clearly didn't like the country the way it was, they clearly wanted something else. They sucked it up when your guy was in the office. At least you could have the decency to do the same.

    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21 2017, @03:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21 2017, @03:48PM (#469724)

      A professional troll you are, they hand out playbooks during orientation?

    • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Tuesday February 21 2017, @04:17PM

      by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Tuesday February 21 2017, @04:17PM (#469747) Journal

      Before I say anything else, let me clearly note that I am NOT nor have I EVER been a Hillary Clinton supporter. You can check comments I made here before the election to confirm that I severely criticized both major parties and both major candidates. Nevertheless, I also viewed (and still view) Trump as a worse choice among the major party candidates.

      That said, I also think you're missing some points about what's going on now.

      I wasn't saying there wasn't people screaming bloody murder about Obama for 8 years, calling him Obongo, that whole thing about him being a secret muslim, being born in America or not, people not being ecstatic about Obamacare or whatever.

      You do realize that most of that is stuff that was spearheaded by our current President, right? A guy who went out of his way to promote blatant lies about the previous President's ethnicity, birthplace, family, religion, etc.? Basically, for a number of years, we were treated to Trump's declarations against the previous President that were on the level of an elementary school playground yelling "yo mama" jokes. We might have to go back to the early 19th century in U.S. politics to find that level of BS shouted at political opponents (and I'm not sure even then).

      So, can you at least comprehend why previous supporters of Obama might be at least slightly more offended at the transition to the new President than opponents were after previous inaugurations?? I mean, the guy spent the past several years essentially hurling nasty personal insults at the leader of their party.

      Personally, I think the protests are a bit overdone too -- and frankly, I think they actually play into Trump's strategy -- but I completely understand them and why people are upset. It isn't over being a "sore loser" -- it's the fact that we've elected a known bully and liar.

      People that don't agree with you should STFU and keep their comments to themselves? [...] The people that did vote for Trump clearly didn't like the country the way it was, they clearly wanted something else. They sucked it up when your guy was in the office. At least you could have the decency to do the same.

      Wow -- the amount of hypocrisy displayed in a single paragraph. You complain that AC wants you to be quiet, which you think is an affront to free speech, but just a few sentences later you argue that your opponents "could have the decency" to shut up themselves.

      I don't even know what to say in response to that.

      (Oh, and by the way, I completely support your right to speak your mind here, and you should. Just as these protesters apparently are, whether or not I agree with their strategy.)

      • (Score: 2) by VLM on Tuesday February 21 2017, @05:17PM

        by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday February 21 2017, @05:17PM (#469773)

        A guy who went out of his way to promote blatant lies about the previous President's ethnicity, birthplace, family, religion, etc.?

        There's a hilarious section of one of the debates where he skewers Hillary because he was doing that out of a favor to one of her minor functionaries. Names and places and details are called out... then that whole topic was kinda dropped from the campaign by the media because it made her look so bad. It is kinda funny that before she was his primary enemy, he was doing her favors, but that's politics for you.

        Now only in the Democratic party could you have your own sec of state working against you by getting a billionaire to make fun of you as a sitting president, which is kinda funny. That party is soooo dysfunctional its often comedic. I mean you can't even make a sitcom about the Democrats because people would think it either non-fiction or unbelievable.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21 2017, @06:17PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 21 2017, @06:17PM (#469799)

          Provided for the peanut gallery: Snopes [snopes.com].

          • (Score: 2) by art guerrilla on Tuesday February 21 2017, @07:24PM

            by art guerrilla (3082) on Tuesday February 21 2017, @07:24PM (#469832)

            a meta-comment about snopes...
            i used to -not *depend* on them, but- consult them regularly for stupid shit i heard or saw online or wherever, and i would kind of get a reasonable cut at the credibility of that 'thing' from snopes...
            but then i read a couple of their run downs on some issues/stuff (can't remember what, think one of them was about drones) where i think i had a little deeper knowledge, and they were being disingenuous, to say the least... (i know, a blog being disingenuous; jello sue-prees, as the froggies croak...)
            also saw a couple 'debunked' stories which seemed to be substantially true, but they made some technical dissembling about it to call it 'untrue' or 'unlikely', or 'unproven' or some such mealy-mouthed claptrap...
            don't run to them much anymore...

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 22 2017, @04:00AM

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 22 2017, @04:00AM (#469988) Journal

              ^ This. Snopes has a liberal slant to their "fact checking". Snopes isn't going to say or do anything that might harm a progressive candidate.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22 2017, @03:46AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22 2017, @03:46AM (#469983)

        "on the level of an elementary school playground yelling "yo mama" jokes."

        Watch it now. Yo mama jokes are constitutionally protected. Yo mama jokes are almost sacred. You don't want to be branded as an SJW, so go easy on the sophomoric humor, alright?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22 2017, @03:58AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22 2017, @03:58AM (#469987)

          Washington maintained morale at Valley Forge with stand-up routines that included yo mama jokes.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday February 22 2017, @03:49AM

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 22 2017, @03:49AM (#469984) Journal

        VLM nailed it. That whole birther movement originated from the Clinton camp. Don't attribute to Trump what Hillary started. I'm running late, or I'd find a citation for you. Late 2006 to mid 2007, one of Hillary's top aides sent inquiries to important people, asking them to check into Obama's credentials, and further asking them to spread the propaganda that Obama wasn't a "natural born" American. Of course, those emails were never meant to be exposed to the public.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22 2017, @08:37AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday February 22 2017, @08:37AM (#470058)

          So Trump is actually working for Hillary?

      • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday February 22 2017, @09:26AM

        by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday February 22 2017, @09:26AM (#470078) Journal

        You do realize that most of that is stuff that was spearheaded by our current President, right? A guy who went out of his way to promote blatant lies about the previous President's ethnicity, birthplace, family, religion, etc.? Basically, for a number of years, we were treated to Trump's declarations against the previous President that were on the level of an elementary school playground yelling "yo mama" jokes. We might have to go back to the early 19th century in U.S. politics to find that level of BS shouted at political opponents (and I'm not sure even then).

        I'd care more if President Obama wasn't a shitty president. Getting replaced by a Twitter blowhard is only part of the humiliation that Obama and his followers have earned. I supposed if it were to happen to me, I'd be a little sore too - assuming I was paying enough attention to this fluff to care. But not burning a car sore.