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posted by on Friday February 24 2017, @03:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the like-a-knife-in-the-back dept.

Bruce Byfield's Blog covers some drama taking over the NTPSec fork of the NTP (Network Time Protocol) software, which is running on just about every unix-like operating system.

Apparently the original forking team invited Eric Raymond and Susan Sons into their project. That didn't work out too well as Raymond and Sons (no actual offspring involved), proceeded to take over the whole effort and use it for their own grandiosity. Then they ejected the project leader.

Byfield uses the story to spin his distaste for Forks for the Wrong Reasons.

However, a few weeks ago, while preparing an article about the animosity between the Network Time Protocol and its off-shoot NTPsec, I came to the conclusion that there are forks that deserve support, and others that do not. The more I investigated, the harder a neutral presentation of NTPsec became. Increasingly, it seemed a fork made for most of the wrong reasons and in all the wrong ways.

We've seen some rather large projects spin out of forks over the years, some good, some bad, some dead, and others surviving long past any rational reason. The list is long. The quality is varied.

What are some of the WORST forks Soylentils have seen that somehow still persist?


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  • (Score: 2) by http on Friday February 24 2017, @05:51PM

    by http (1920) on Friday February 24 2017, @05:51PM (#471212)

    Movie sets are very different places from dojos and kwoons. Potential stars are selected with particular visual aesthetics in mind. But skill in a martial art (and skill in teaching it) has exactly zero to do with appearance. Martial artists, unlike movie stars, don't have to look a particular way.

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 24 2017, @09:17PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 24 2017, @09:17PM (#471320)

    In the late 80's I was learning judo. We had a guest instructor come in. In comes this fat, old (to my early 20's eye) guy with a long greying beard who looked a lot to my eye to resemble Captain Lou Albano. We were told he was a former US Judo coach, and he was a very good instructor and clearly had the heart of a lion. It was very clear that he commanded great respect from our instructor as well as the other black belts who came with him. He would sing French marching songs as we went through our drills.

    Turns out the guy was Rene Pomerelle. Besides just being a former US coach, he coached the olympic teams for the French and Germans and coached judo in the Air Force for decades. Before joining the US military, he was in the French Foreign Legion during the Algerian campaign, knew 9 languages, had black belts in judo, aikido, karate, and kendo. He also was an accomplished cook. The guy was a serious badass; however, to look at him, he looked like some fat redneck-looking guy of about 60 or so.

    I was talking to one of his black belt students and he told me that Pomerelle was outside a convenience store as some young "thug" type was walking out the door with a case of beer with the teller yelling "hey, come back with that!". Pomerelle was in in the guy's path, and Pomerelle says "I think you should bring that back." The young guy says "fuck you old man" and goes after him. When the police eventually came, the young guy was on the sidewalk with two broken legs. They looked at Pomerelle, incredulous that the old fat guy messed up the young guy and they asked him how he did it, to which Pomerelle said "oh, I watch all the police shows."

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 24 2017, @10:42PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 24 2017, @10:42PM (#471348)

      I wish Bill Cosby hadn't turned out to be such a predatory douche.
      His comedy is timeless.
      Here I am pointing to his stuff for the 2nd time this week.

      Bill recalls the time he saw an old dude in original YMCA togs and Bill figures a game of handball with the old fart will yield a light workout and a quick victory.
      He was right--but not in the way he expected. [youtube.com]

      Don't mess around with old farts.
      This has even been put on t-shirts:
      "Old age and [experience] will always beat youth and exuberance."

      -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 24 2017, @11:47PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 24 2017, @11:47PM (#471366)

        His comedy is timeless.

        So is Milo's.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 25 2017, @12:50AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 25 2017, @12:50AM (#471383)

          Fascists can be entertaining, with their goofy little mustaches and cute little uniforms--but they aren't funny.

          Props to these guys for their excellent headline (with a little help from me):
          Nazi punching bag Richard Spencer claims Depeche Mode is the "official band" of the alt-[Reich] [consequenceofsound.net]

          "Accepted" submission: Is It Ever OK to Punch a Nazi? [soylentnews.org]

          Consequence of Sound points to an article [gothamist.com] that basically says that the dirtbag wannabe Brown Shirt doesn't understand the band's music in the slightest.

          Gothamist, in turn, points to
          CPAC Boots White Nationalist Richard Spencer After He Crashes The Party [talkingpointsmemo.com]

          Not invited by [Conservative Political Action Conference] organizers, the white nationalist and self-identified leader of the alt-right purchased a ticket and showed up anyway. Spencer sat in the audience wearing a brown three-piece suit and a smirk as one of the conference's organizers gave a speech titled "The Alt Right Ain't Right At All".

          Less than an hour later, Spencer was escorted out of the hotel by security.

          -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 25 2017, @03:42PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 25 2017, @03:42PM (#471509)

          Maybe - but WTF is Milo?

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 25 2017, @07:14PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday February 25 2017, @07:14PM (#471570)

          His comedy is timeless.

          So is Milo's.

          Milo who?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 24 2017, @09:19PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 24 2017, @09:19PM (#471323)

    Being overweight is detrimental to being a skilled martial artist. You lose flexibility and waste strength hauling that flab around. You also can't move as quickly as you would if you weren't a fat ass.

    The part of the equation where looks don't matter is mostly in the face.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 24 2017, @11:48PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday February 24 2017, @11:48PM (#471367)

      Yes, in movie martial arts you are correct, but we're talking about real life where leverage and timing are as important as looking like Bruce Lee.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 28 2017, @07:53PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday February 28 2017, @07:53PM (#472997)

    Why are you talking about appearance and movie sets and movie stars? Where in the world did that come from? It's not that they have to look a particular way, it's that they have to be able to move in a particular way. And 50 pounds of fat is a major impediment.