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posted by on Sunday March 12 2017, @01:01PM   Printer-friendly
from the playing-both-sides-of-the-fence dept.

Common Dreams reports:

Oil giant Shell also knew of the dangers of climate change decades ago, while it continued to lobby against climate legislation and push for fossil fuel development, a joint investigation by The Guardian[1] and the Dutch newspaper The Correspondent revealed [February 28].

Shell created a confidential report in 1986 which found that the changes brought about by global warming could be "the greatest in recorded history", and warned of an impact "on the human environment, future living standards, and food supplies, [that] could have major social, economic, and political consequences".

The company also made a 28-minute educational film in 1991 titled Climate of Concern that warned oil extraction and use could lead to extreme weather, famines, and mass displacement, and noted that the dangers of climate change were "endorsed by a uniquely broad consensus of scientists". The film was developed for public viewing, particularly for schools.

[...] Despite its own warnings, Shell invested billions of dollars into tar sands operations and exploration in the Arctic. It has also devoted millions to lobbying against climate legislation.

The revelations about Shell come after a separate investigation into ExxonMobil revealed that [that] company had also been waging a climate science suppression campaign and burying its own reports on the global warming impacts of fossil fuel use for decades. Exxon, whose former CEO is now U.S. secretary of state, is currently under investigation by the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC) and state attorneys general for allegedly lying to investors about the risks of climate change.

In 2016, a group of lawmakers asked the Department of Justice to look into Shell's knowledge of global warming as well.

[1] Bogus link in TFA corrected.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by VLM on Sunday March 12 2017, @01:34PM (14 children)

    by VLM (445) on Sunday March 12 2017, @01:34PM (#478033)

    Here comes the standard SN car analogy, let me know if you can outdo this one.

    So in the spirit of a thought experiment... in a confidential report, Ford made a 28 minute educational film on how their cars suck compared to Toyota's cars with respect to performance, lifespan, accident survival rates, cost, and coolness. So the revelation is Ford knew all about their problems. Meanwhile the shocking conspiracy is they simultaneously spent millions on advertising lobbying customers that they don't suck and people should love them and buy lots and lots of Fords.

    Apparently this is supposed to mean something. Although I don't know what. Its kind of like saying market research and marketing is a conspiracy theory. I'm sure McDonalds knows their bottom of the line fake-meat burger is a reheated dog turd compared to the top of the line Culvers burger. With prices to match, of course, and tons of advertising on both sides.

    Maybe its too small of an abstract extracted from the longer story to make any sense?

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  • (Score: 3, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 12 2017, @01:41PM (11 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 12 2017, @01:41PM (#478036)

    Not bad. But Ford would also have to invest billions in making their cars suck even more, put everyone in Earth inside them, remove the brakes and set them off down a steep slope with a cliff at the end.

    • (Score: 1) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Sunday March 12 2017, @01:50PM

      by Scruffy Beard 2 (6030) on Sunday March 12 2017, @01:50PM (#478040)

      A few years ago I answered a phone survey. One of the questions was: Which oil company has a better reputation; Shell or Chevron?

      I was surprised to realize that I had an answer: Shell actually funds environmental initiatives, while Chevron bought up NiMH patents specifically to hold back the electric car 20 years. So Shell wins.

      So for the car analogy, delete the part about removing the brakes before heading down the steep slope :)

    • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday March 12 2017, @04:00PM (6 children)

      by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday March 12 2017, @04:00PM (#478072) Homepage

      You can fix a Ford. You can go to your local auto parts shop and buy the part you need and fix your Ford right then and there.

      Toyota or Nissan? If it's not an oil filter, then every part will be a special-order and twice as expensive.

      • (Score: 2) by VLM on Sunday March 12 2017, @04:13PM (4 children)

        by VLM (445) on Sunday March 12 2017, @04:13PM (#478079)

        My snarky as hell answer is I don't have much experience fixing Toyotas

        Its actually kinda funny when my wife got her Prius I figured I'd be investing in metric wrenches etc but the damn thing won't break.

        • (Score: 1) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday March 12 2017, @04:42PM (2 children)

          by Ethanol-fueled (2792) on Sunday March 12 2017, @04:42PM (#478091) Homepage

          Priuses, like BMW's, are not bad cars -- It's the assholes who drive them that give them a bad rap.

          • (Score: 2) by VLM on Sunday March 12 2017, @05:21PM (1 child)

            by VLM (445) on Sunday March 12 2017, @05:21PM (#478107)

            Well thats right wing transgression vs left wing transgression for you, left wing transgression is the social values of hollywood, TV, and the music industry, while right wing transgression is there's just something irresistible about driving the hipstermobile while listening to TRS podcasts. LOL normies think I'm laughing at something witty and smart on NPR, if only they knew what I was actually listening to.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday March 12 2017, @07:08PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday March 12 2017, @07:08PM (#478156) Journal

              Waaaait waitwaitwait, you think by being ignorant and selfish and deliberately destructive you're NOT a "normie?" Honey, that is about as normie as you can possibly get!

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 12 2017, @08:37PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 12 2017, @08:37PM (#478198)

          Same here. I've never had a car before that had a single part that needed a metric wrench, and here come these electric vehicles forcing their politically correct units on us. :/

          I think I'm being sarcastic. I'm not sure anymore.

      • (Score: 2) by dry on Monday March 13 2017, @03:39AM

        by dry (223) on Monday March 13 2017, @03:39AM (#478302) Journal

        Oh bullshit. I've got a Ford here that's going to the crusher due to a simple head gasket leak. It's just not worth taking the cab off to fix it though it would give me a chance to change the spark plugs. Changing the plugs means, first running tons of decarboning shit through the engine, ideally lifting the cab up a bit to access those back plugs and then having a $500 tool handy to remove the plug that just broke. What a horrible design, which seems to be my reaction to everything about the engineering on the Ford.
        I have another Ford here, first thing I had to do was trouble shoot the brake lights blowing fuses regularly. Bastards ran the wire up the steering column, through a u-joint and made it so that just getting at that wire was next to impossible. The guy I bought it from had just done the clutch. Slave cylinder went, it was internal so the tranny had to be pulled to simply change the slave cylinder.
        I've changed a few head gaskets on Nissans, even the diesel was simple. The wiring was laid out in a logical way and easy as fuck to work on. Tuneups were quick and I never broke a plug. When the slave cylinder went, it took perhaps half an hour to change on the side of the road.

    • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Sunday March 12 2017, @04:21PM (2 children)

      by Gaaark (41) on Sunday March 12 2017, @04:21PM (#478084) Journal

      Of course, they DID invest in making their cars SUCK MORE: they had (briefly) MS do their in-car display (looked at it once: it sucked, i told the dealer it sucked. He basically said "Yeah, we know, we're dumping it".
      Well "we're dumping it" doesn't matter when your trying to get me to buy it, does it?

      DOES IT!?!?!?!?!

      At least they were willing to admit it sucked, lol.
      Hope their lawsuit against MS goes well :)

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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by sjames on Sunday March 12 2017, @03:39PM

    by sjames (2882) on Sunday March 12 2017, @03:39PM (#478064) Journal

    This would be closer to the Pinto, where they decided that the cost of settling wrongful death suits would be slightly lower than the cost of making the cars not explode.

  • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Monday March 13 2017, @06:24PM

    by DeathMonkey (1380) on Monday March 13 2017, @06:24PM (#478552) Journal

    Apparently this is supposed to mean something.It does mean something: FRAUD