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posted by on Monday March 13 2017, @12:33PM   Printer-friendly
from the betteridge's-law-says... dept.

Illegal Southwest border crossings were down 40% last month, according to just released Customs and Border Protection numbers -- a sign that President Donald Trump's hardline rhetoric and policies on immigration may be having a deterrent effect.

Secretary of Homeland Security John Kelly himself announced the month-to-month numbers, statistics that CBP usually quietly posts on its website without fanfare.

According to CBP data, the 40% drop in illegal Southwest border crossings from January to February is far outside normal seasonal trends. Typically, the January to February change is actually an increase of 10% to 20%.

The drop breaks a nearly 20-year trend, as CBP data going back to 2000 shows an uptick in apprehensions every February.

The number of apprehensions and inadmissible individuals presenting at the border was 18,762 people in February, down from 31,578 in January.

It will still take months to figure out if the decrease in apprehensions is an indication of a lasting Trump effect on immigration patterns. Numbers tend to decrease seasonally in the winter and increase into the spring months.

But the sharp downtick after an uptick at the end of the Obama administration could fit the narrative that it takes tough rhetoric on immigration -- backed up by policy -- to get word-of-mouth warnings to undocumented immigrants making the harrowing journey to the border.

Source: http://www.cnn.com/2017/03/08/politics/border-crossings-huge-drop-trump-tough-talk/index.html

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  • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 13 2017, @05:09PM (12 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 13 2017, @05:09PM (#478509) Journal

    Maybe you don't understand that whole "indentured servitude" thing. White people and black came to this country as chattel. The master could put a white man to death just as quickly and easily as he could put a black man to death. So, yes, slaves built this country. Black slaves and white slaves alike. Black slaves got a much shittier deal than white slaves did, in the long run, but it didn't start out that way.

    If you're going to give credit to the chattel who were black, make sure to also give credit to all the involuntarily deported English, Irish, and Scots people sent here by English judges.

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  • (Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Monday March 13 2017, @05:15PM (3 children)

    by GreatAuntAnesthesia (3275) on Monday March 13 2017, @05:15PM (#478513) Journal

    Didn't we see this "hey, there were white slaves too, and black slave owners" pop up a few days ago?
    I'm pretty sure in that case it was introduced to the argument completely off topic as well.

    Hey everyone, I think we found the new meme handed down by the alt-right propaganda machine! Everybody cross "SJW" and "Identity Politics" off your Breitbart Bingo scorecards, and write "White slavery" in its place.

    • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13 2017, @05:31PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13 2017, @05:31PM (#478525)
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13 2017, @06:39PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13 2017, @06:39PM (#478563)

      It is pretty hilarious to see the memes spread like wildfire. "Hey boys we have a new way of distracting everybody!"

      Lawl lawl lawl, it is entertaining and horrifying all at once. Seeing the idiots get worked over by their own stupidity is funny, seeing them shape the direction of our country is terrifying.

    • (Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Monday March 13 2017, @07:12PM

      by kurenai.tsubasa (5227) on Monday March 13 2017, @07:12PM (#478581) Journal

      It may be popping up again, but it's not new. It was in the white supremacist/Christian extremist undercurrent at least in the 90s and probably before then. (See Christian Identity [wikipedia.org].)

      Look for key ideas like slave owners working just as hard beside the slaves in the field (or harder) and denials that the speaker's heritage would have been wealthy enough to even own slaves if the speaker comes from down South. There is also eagerness to bring up the fact that many African cultures often did have a practices one may describe adequately as “slavery” though the white supremacist will imply those are no different at all from the practice in the antebellum South. There's also Anthony Johnson [wikipedia.org] who came up recently here as well.

  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13 2017, @05:18PM (7 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13 2017, @05:18PM (#478517)

    B-b-but, white slaves!

    Ah, that's the racist-as-fuck runaway that we all know.
    That day or two of not-being-a-total-shit really was an aberration, must have given your password out to someone else.

    Here's a clue: The children of indentured servants were not indentured.

    But you know what is especially revealing?
    I didn't say one damn word about whether the slaves were white or black.
    You put that in there all on your own.

    • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday March 13 2017, @06:39PM (6 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday March 13 2017, @06:39PM (#478562) Journal

      "Here's a clue: The children of indentured servants were not indentured."

      Exactly. And, the children of black slaves weren't slaves either - until one black man went to court to fight his black servant's legitimate claim to freedom.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthony_Johnson_(colonist)#Casor_suit [wikipedia.org]

      The wiki article doesn't really go into depth, but you now have the names of Anthony Green, John Casor, and the Northampton court, along with the date - 1654. You will note that the court found in favor of John Casor, but Green appealed, and presumable paid off the appeals court judge. Anthony Green is responsible, in part, for the abysmal conditions later imposed upon his fellow black people in America. It took 200 years for that ridiculous appeal to finally be overturned.

      • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13 2017, @06:50PM (4 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13 2017, @06:50PM (#478568)

        Holy shit.

        Slavery is actually the fault of black people.

        And the proof is a wikipedia article that the Talk section reveals to be mostly the result of a pro-racism edit war.

        • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday March 14 2017, @12:57AM (3 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 14 2017, @12:57AM (#478716) Journal

          Yeah, holy shit - black people fought each other, captured the losers, and sold those losers into slavery. It is a time honored tradition in much of Africa, one that Arabia capitalized on since long before Mohammed.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14 2017, @05:54AM (2 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14 2017, @05:54AM (#478780)

            Slavery as an economic institution was not a creation of africans.
            Slave labor was not the underpinning of any african markets.
            Nor was there a demand for thousands and thousands of slaves.

            You just can't help yourself, can you?
            With every single post you just dig yourself in deeper and deeper.
            Its like you snorted a bunch of KKKocaine this weekend or something and all of the white supremacist meme parasites have burrowed into your brain tissue.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday March 14 2017, @02:03PM (1 child)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday March 14 2017, @02:03PM (#478908) Journal

              Ignorance can be cured - sometimes. Try reading.

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Slavery_in_Africa [wikipedia.org]

              Chattel slavery[edit]
              Chattel slavery is a specific servitude relationship where the slave is treated as the property of the owner. As such, the owner is free to sell, trade, or treat the slave as he would other pieces of property and the children of the slave often are retained as the property of the master.[12] There is evidence of long histories of chattel slavery in the Nile river valley and Northern Africa, but evidence is incomplete about the extent and practices of chattel slavery throughout much of the rest of the continent prior to written records by Arab or European traders.[12]

              Military slavery[edit]

              Slaves for sacrifice at the Annual Customs of Dahomey - from The history of Dahomy, an inland Kingdom of Africa, 1793.
              Military slavery involved the acquisition and training of conscripted military units which would retain the identity of military slaves even after their service.[14] Slave soldier groups would be run by a Patron, who could be the head of a government or an independent warlord, and who would send his troops out for money and his own political interests.[14]

              This was most significant in the Nile valley (primarily in Sudan and Uganda), with slave military units organized by various Islamic authorities,[14] and with the war chiefs of Western Africa.[15] The military units in Sudan were formed in the 1800s through large-scale military raiding in the area which is currently the countries of Sudan and South Sudan.[14]

              Slaves for sacrifice[edit]
              Although archaeological evidence is not clear on the issue prior to European contact, in those societies that practiced human sacrifice, slaves became the most prominent victims.[4]

              Slavery practices throughout Africa[edit]
              Like most other regions of the world, slavery and forced labor existed in many kingdoms and societies of Africa for thousands of years.[17] Precise evidence on slavery or the political and economic institutions of slavery before contact with the Arab or Atlantic slave trade is not available.[7] Early European reports of slavery throughout Africa in the 1600s are unreliable because they often conflated various forms of servitude as equal to chattel slavery.[18] The complex relationships and evidence from oral histories often incorrectly describe many forms of servitude or social status as slavery, even when the practices do not follow conceptualizations of slavery in other regions around the world.[7]

              The best evidence of slave practices in Africa come from the major kingdoms, particularly along the coast, and there is little evidence of widespread slavery practices in stateless societies.[4][7][8] Slave trading was mostly secondary to other trade relationships; however, there is evidence of a trans-Saharan slave trade route from Roman times which persisted in the area after the fall of the Roman empire.[12] However, kinship structures and rights provided to slaves (except those captured in war) appears to have limited the scope of slave trading before the start of the Arab slave trade and the Atlantic slave trade.[7]

              Northern Africa[edit]

              Redemption of Christian slaves by Catholic monks in Algiers in 1661.

              Burning of a Village in Africa, and Capture of its Inhabitants (p.12, February 1859, XVI)[19]
              Chattel slavery had been legal and widespread throughout North Africa when the region was controlled by the Roman Empire (47 BC - ca. 500 AD). The Sahel region south of the Sahara provided many of the African slaves held in North Africa during this period and there was a trans-Saharan slave trade in operation.[12] Chattel slavery persisted after the fall of the Roman empire in the largely Christian communities of the region. After the Islamic expansion into most of the region, the practices continued and eventually, the chattel form of slavery spread to major societies on the southern end of the Sahara (such as Mali, Songhai, and Ghana).[4]

              http://www.ghanaweb.com/GhanaHomePage/history/slave-trade.php [ghanaweb.com]

              "The seemingly insatiable market and the substantial profits to be gained from the slave trade attracted adventurers from all over Europe. Much of the conflict that arose among European groups on the coast and among competing African kingdoms was the result of rivalry for control of this trade."

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13 2017, @08:54PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 13 2017, @08:54PM (#478629)

        This should be the poster-child for "try hard"