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OSLO (Reuters) - Natural swings in the Arctic climate have caused up to half the precipitous losses of sea ice around the North Pole in recent decades, with the rest driven by man-made global warming, scientists said on Monday.
The study indicates that an ice-free Arctic Ocean, often feared to be just years away, in one of the starkest signs of man-made global warming, could be delayed if nature swings back to a cooler mode.
Natural variations in the Arctic climate "may be responsible for about 30–50 percent of the overall decline in September sea ice since 1979," the U.S.-based team of scientists wrote in the journal Nature Climate Change.
Sea ice has shrunk steadily and hit a record low in September 2012 -- late summer in the Arctic -- in satellite records dating back to 1979.
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 15 2017, @01:51AM (17 children)
Troll, flamebait, blah, blah, blah. Few mods can find the "disagree" button. Few mods understand proper discourse in any venue. You toe the party line, or you're a troll. Fascists rule the forums. We need the so-called alt-right to start moderating in the same manner. Non-progressives are far to polite when moderating.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 15 2017, @02:19AM (4 children)
Lol, my posts routinely get modded down almost instantly so piss off with the persecution complex. Thankfully reality has a liberal bias so mine usually end up higher than not :P
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 15 2017, @02:28AM (3 children)
"Thankfully reality has a liberal bias"
That is part of the doctrine of your religion. Reality cares not one whit for biases, in any direction. Reality doesn't give a damn whether you or I survive, or whether mankind survives, and takes no notice of our opinions or preferences.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 15 2017, @02:51AM
That's what's hilarious about all this. Reality doesn't care what one thinks of it. Climate change doesn't care whether one believes in it. It also hates being anthropomorphized. It's become a matter of personal pride to people to be able to guarantee a worse future for their grandchildren.
I don't want children, but, maybe this is just me, if I did decide to have a few children, I would want their children to have a better future.
Everybody being emotionally invested in ensuring the worst possible future is one reason I don't think I want to be responsible for bringing any new children into the world. It's so irrational, I can't even.
It makes my decision to just not have children seem quite a lot less irrational than it would at first, given that the meaning of life is essentially to make little copies of yourself.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 15 2017, @10:09AM (1 child)
"Civilization has a liberal bias" should be what that person said. This has been known for quite a long time. Civilizations that switch from common good to individual centric, well, those fall apart rather quickly. Reference: HISTORY.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 15 2017, @06:26PM
Also liberals tend to be more objective / scientific / open minded. Thus liberal agendas tend to be more grounded in reality and fact, and less prone to faith based rationale. I think when one puts too much stake in "faith" it tends to make that person more likely to develop opinions that are not necessarily backed up by reality...
Don't go getting too worked up now, this is just a general trend, a statistic of large populations. There are plenty of irrational faith based liberals, and plenty of rational conservatives. But right here and right now we have a the original comment being scientifically disingenuous (not reading the actual research which says AGW is still the majority cause) along with an attack against anyone who thinks AGW is real.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by butthurt on Wednesday March 15 2017, @03:35AM
"My only regret will be that there will be no way to extract a pound of flesh from the AGW fraudsters," says the post you have chosen as an example of "proper discourse." I see a resemblance to what the FAQ says about "bad comments":
ridicule for others with different opinion (without backing it up with anything more tangible than strong words)
-- /faq.pl?op=moderation [soylentnews.org]
> Fascists rule the forums. We need the so-called alt-right to start moderating in the same manner.
You appear to be calling for unfair moderation of comments that you disagree with. Are you sure that's what you want?
(Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday March 15 2017, @05:06AM (10 children)
Take your persecution complex and go to Hell. You people whine, whine, whine like little babies with wet diapers, and then you have the incredible fucking gall to accuse others of what you yourself are guilty of. I can't even imagine what it must be like to be that mentally deficient.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 15 2017, @01:20PM (9 children)
OH I'M OFFENDED!! says every fucking progressive twit in the world. I point out that no one gives a flying fuck that Twinkie is offended, and you mod me down? You curse me? Fucking snowflakes.
Accuse others of what I am guilty of? Oh, please, elaborate. You'll have to imagine something pretty good to impress me here.
(Score: 2) by tibman on Wednesday March 15 2017, @02:28PM (8 children)
You're off the handle, man. Since moderators are also normal readers it's easy to get modded into oblivion, deserved or not. I don't always have the "mainstream opinion" but can usually get away with it by using a little tact. But people here are really into fact and not just opinions and feelings.
Unfortunately, we rely on others to generate that fact which is oftentimes biased based on who is funding the fact finding. If you are of the opinion that the facts are misleading then you'll just have to grow thick skin and accept that you'll be losing fact based arguments for a long time. People here are actually accepting that some people reject facts if done in a more civil way. Pretty much every religious or political discussion right there.
SN won't survive on lurkers alone. Write comments.
(Score: 2, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 15 2017, @03:11PM (7 children)
Kinda makes sense - except, look above. Azumi at +3 insightful for HER post? If that's not flamebait, then I've never seen flamebait. But, partisan bullshit. The twinkies mod non-twinkies down, and fellow twinkies up. Which was the exact purpose of my original post. All the rest of us need to moderate on partisan lines, just like the hypocrites do.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 15 2017, @05:05PM (3 children)
So maybe you are the paragon of virtuous modding, but I guarantee there is a whole lot of conservative down modding. You're complaining that the OP posted a statement which is almost directly contradicted by the article itself and is dowodded because politics? You're half right... OP posted more of a political opinion and not a fact (see above) so expect such downmodding to happen.
You do realize that you're the one offended here right? Making a big ruckus about someone else's post being downmodded? Cry more about Twinkie snowflakes, its amusing to see the "tough guys" turning into babies.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday March 15 2017, @05:15PM (2 children)
"you're the one offended here"
Unlike progressives and SJW's I don't get "offended". I've pointed out some hypocrisy. I've pointed out that the mod system is abused.
YOu disagree with me? That's cool. Mod me with "disagree". That's what the button is for. It takes an idiot to mod someone as "troll" just because they disagree.
Of course, if you have an IQ high enough to be literate, you already knew all of that.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 15 2017, @08:05PM
Lol you are totally offended! The rationale for downmodding that post was highlighted by multiple users in the thread. Yet here you are with, "HOW DARE THEY MOD SOMETHING TROLL?? I DISAGREE WITH THEM AND MUST POST WHINY COMPLAINTS!!! SJW PROGRESSIVE KEYWORDS HERE"
Whatever Walter [youtube.com]
(Score: 2, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday March 15 2017, @10:49PM
LOL, you're melting the fuck down, Runaway. Whazzamatter, you don't like me beating your ass the way your daddy used'ta? I've got a couple of Midol left over if you want a few, ya big whiny bitch.
(Note: THIS is trolling and flamebait. Feel free to mod it down, and *don't* mod it up; it doesn't even deserve a +1 Funny, this crap is Eth-tier humor).
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 15 2017, @06:54PM
Her post is insightful because it is calling you out on your bullshit. Whining about stuff that happens to everyone, and in this case a quite legitimate reason, OP was quite the flamebait. I agree Azuma's language is offensive, but you're not a special snowflake so you can take that kind of heat right /s?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 15 2017, @07:22PM (1 child)
Thank you. Literally every comment I've seen from that user you're referencing has been nothing except trolling and flamebait yet they are regularly upmodded. I assumed they were modding their own comments as trolling and e-peen tend to go together as sure as anything. But in any case it makes the site look very reddit-esque in all the wrong ways.
(Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday March 15 2017, @07:36PM
You can't mod your own comments, idiot. I don't know who's modding them up and am surprised it's happening, but whatever. And if you don't like my language you can have a spell on the fainting couch over yonder, snowflake.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...