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posted by Fnord666 on Tuesday March 14 2017, @09:47PM   Printer-friendly
from the did-they-expect-to-find-handwarmers? dept.

https://www.usnews.com/news/news/articles/2017-03-13/arctic-ice-loss-driven-by-natural-swings-not-just-mankind-study

OSLO (Reuters) - Natural swings in the Arctic climate have caused up to half the precipitous losses of sea ice around the North Pole in recent decades, with the rest driven by man-made global warming, scientists said on Monday.

The study indicates that an ice-free Arctic Ocean, often feared to be just years away, in one of the starkest signs of man-made global warming, could be delayed if nature swings back to a cooler mode.

Natural variations in the Arctic climate "may be responsible for about 30–50 percent of the overall decline in September sea ice since 1979," the U.S.-based team of scientists wrote in the journal Nature Climate Change.

Sea ice has shrunk steadily and hit a record low in September 2012 -- late summer in the Arctic -- in satellite records dating back to 1979.


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  • (Score: 2, Troll) by gottabeme on Wednesday March 15 2017, @07:54PM (3 children)

    by gottabeme (1531) on Wednesday March 15 2017, @07:54PM (#479549)

    Parent is triple-modded as Troll. There is no doubt which side of the AGW issue attempts to censor its opponents--which is prima facie anti-science. Like rabid dogs, they mindlessly attack as a pack.

    If Soylent is truly interested in being a place for intelligent discussion and furthering human knowledge, the mods should remove moderation privileges from everyone who modded bradley13's comments as Troll. Otherwise this place will turn into yet another one-sided echo chamber on the Internet, shouted down by the "open-minded" mobs.

    Starting Score:    1  point
    Moderation   0  
       Troll=1, Interesting=1, Total=2
    Extra 'Troll' Modifier   0  
    Karma-Bonus Modifier   +1  

    Total Score:   2  
  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 15 2017, @08:47PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 15 2017, @08:47PM (#479571)

    And another clueless snowflake. I've seen conservatives mob mod posts, but I think the real problem is that liberals outnumber conservatives. Maybe if bradley13 hadn't talked about taking a pound of flesh from other people, and if he didn't try and spin the article to suit his own viewpoint, THEN you might have a point. Clueless gottabeme is clueless, engages in tribal defense due to emotional reaction.

    This weird persecution complex is getting pretty funny though, from "not afraid to tell it like it is" to "stop criticizing us its not niiiiice!" Maybe if SN mods actually caused real censorship that wasn't a mouseclick away from being undone then you MIGHT have more of a point. Melt you little snowflake melt.

  • (Score: 2) by http on Wednesday March 15 2017, @09:32PM

    by http (1920) on Wednesday March 15 2017, @09:32PM (#479587)

    Soylent is working as intended.

    Telling someone "you can't say 2+2=7" doesn't count as censorship - it counts as basic math education. But sure, its a conspiracy of accountants.

    But if you insist on trying to convince others that 2+2 is in fact 7, damn well expect to be shouted down.

    --
    I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
  • (Score: 1) by charon on Thursday March 16 2017, @12:22AM

    by charon (5660) on Thursday March 16 2017, @12:22AM (#479618) Journal

    First, down-mods from both sides of the political arena are usually corrected by other folks who come by later. As of now, the parent comment is at +1, which seems about right to me. I don't think the parent was trolling, nor do i think it was interesting.

    Second, I tend to agree that people misuse the -1 Troll mod when they actually mean -0 Disagree. There seems to be a desire to hurt involved here, which I dislike, but I would dislike much more attempting to meta-moderate people. There is no way to assure objectivity in meta-moderation. Also, the staff only have some much time to spend watching.

    Third, there are punishments for misusing mods repeatedly, but they come into play when one user is down-modding multiple comments made by another user. One-off bad mods are tolerable, and (see point one) usually corrected soon enough. The community nearly always does a good job of policing itself.