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posted by on Tuesday March 14 2017, @10:34AM   Printer-friendly
from the twice-in-a-generation dept.

Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon is seeking another vote on Scottish independence, coming possibly as soon as late 2018:

In a bombshell announcement Monday, Scottish leader Nicola Sturgeon told reporters in Edinburgh that she will seek the authority to hold a second independence referendum for Scotland. Citing a "brick wall of intransigence" from British Prime Minister Theresa May, Sturgeon asserted that the only way to preserve Scottish interests in the midst of the U.K. exit from the European Union is to put matters directly in the hands of Scottish voters.

"What Scotland deserves, in the light of the material change of circumstances brought about by the Brexit vote, is the chance to decide our future in a fair, free and democratic way — and at a time when we are equipped with the facts we need," the Scottish first minister and head of the Scottish National Party said in prepared remarks. "Whatever path we take, it should be one decided by us, not for us."

Next week, she will seek a section 30 order from the Scottish Parliament to begin the referendum process — which the U.K. Parliament in Westminster ultimately must approve. If all goes as planned, Sturgeon expects that a vote would be held in the fall of 2018 or spring of 2019, after terms of a Brexit deal worked out by the U.K. and the EU become clear.


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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday March 14 2017, @05:15PM (6 children)

    by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday March 14 2017, @05:15PM (#478997) Journal

    Thatcher didn't suck because she was a woman; she sucked because she was Margaret Thatcher. Let's not be stupid here.

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  • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Tuesday March 14 2017, @07:12PM (4 children)

    by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Tuesday March 14 2017, @07:12PM (#479075) Homepage
    Stop being a knee-jerk SJW. Care to point out the exact words where I assert that Thatcher was bad because she was female? Clue - you can't because I did't say that. I said she was a woman, and she was bad for the country (or at least its middle and lower classes, which is the majority of it, or for its primary, seconday, and half of its tertiary industries, if you'd prefer to categorise things that way). There's no implication in an "and".

    Here's an exercise for you - work out the difference between
    "You're wrong and your are a grotesquely ugly freak"
    and
    "You're wrong because you are a grotesquely ugly freak".
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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14 2017, @07:28PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday March 14 2017, @07:28PM (#479091)

      Here's an exercise for you - work out the difference between
      "You're wrong and your are a grotesquely ugly freak"
      and
      "You're wrong because you are a grotesquely ugly freak".

      In the first one the "you" is misspelled as "your". /rimshot

    • (Score: 3, Touché) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday March 14 2017, @08:42PM (2 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Tuesday March 14 2017, @08:42PM (#479122) Journal

      Shut your condescending mouth, Phil. I know very well what an ad-hom is, thank you *very* much. If you look at my posts closely, I make sure to insult people *in addition* to pointing out why they are wrong, not saying they are wrong *because* of $INSULT.

      In this case, for example, you are wrong because you lack the facts. However, I also called you out on your unwarranted condescension and self-importance. If I wanted to go for another low blow, I could also call you out for your idiotic assumption that I'm one of the dreaded ess-jay-double-yews, and the appearance of implied misogyny/"mansplaining" if I wanted extra troll points.

      See how that works? You're in way over your head.

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      • (Score: 2) by FatPhil on Wednesday March 15 2017, @08:36AM (1 child)

        by FatPhil (863) <{pc-soylent} {at} {asdf.fi}> on Wednesday March 15 2017, @08:36AM (#479307) Homepage
        You're wrong again, there are no facts relevant to my point that I am missing. You're good at being wrong, probably because you get a lot of practice.
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        • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday March 15 2017, @08:13PM

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday March 15 2017, @08:13PM (#479557) Journal

          Oh, so is that what you're reduced to, Phil? You're wrong because, and I've been told this by SJWs, I don't qualify as a SJW. Something about being skeptical that gender is entirely a social construct in one case, in another case being an omnivore, in a few other cases accusations of Islamophobia, etc. You get the idea.

          But you insist on calling me that. So no, you don't have all the facts. And now you have nothing but insults, and it *shows* Good DAY to you, sir. You may show yourself out.

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  • (Score: 1) by purple_cobra on Saturday March 18 2017, @11:45PM

    by purple_cobra (1435) on Saturday March 18 2017, @11:45PM (#480972)

    Amen.
    She, along with large sections of her party both then and now, seem to want to shove us back into Victorian times. While this is personally shit for me - I'm still thin enough to be shoved up a chimney - they're looking through rose-tinted glasses at a history they don't understand. We built infrastructure in those days, so it wasn't just suffering or indignity for the sake of it. Brexit is a problem because we have little in the way of indigenous worth to the world; arseholes like Johnson might witter on about the financial firms, but they'll piss off elsewhere if and when their bottom line is being hit, leaving us without their "benefit". We could sell off the Windsors' property but who'd buy it? We don't make much, we grow very little (for export purposes). Hammond's suggestion we become even more of a tax haven would benefit a few Tory donors but no-one else.
    Brexit will render obvious our pointlessness.