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Microsoft Windows 7 or 8.1 users on Intel Kaby Lake or AMD Ryzen CPUs will not be able to download Windows updates.
Microsoft announced some time ago that new silicon as the company called it back then would not be officially supported on Windows 7 or 8.1.
This meant basically that only Windows 10 would support Intel's, AMD's and Qualcomm's new processors, while Windows 7 or 8.1 would not.
This does not mean that Windows 7 or 8.1 won't install on machines running these new processors, but that Microsoft (and the manufacturer) won't offer any form of support for those devices.
A new support page on the Microsoft website suggests that users who run an unsupported processor on an older version of Windows -- read Windows 7 or Windows 8.1 -- won't be able to scan for or download Windows updates anymore.
Users will get the following error message when they run the scan:
Unsupported Hardware
Your PC uses a processor that isn't supported on this version of Windows and you won't receive updates.
It looks like I'll be moving to BSD or Linux sooner than I planned.
(Score: 2) by Snotnose on Sunday March 19 2017, @01:48AM (22 children)
Been meaning to ask this for a while now but never felt motivated. I've never run a VM. I know what a VM is, I've used Windows since the 3.1 days, used Unix since 82 or so, was a sysadmin for a couple years, have code in the Linux kernel (couple of drivers).
That said, what are steps 1-5 of setting up and running a VM on either a Linux box or a Win10 box (I've got both).
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(Score: 5, Informative) by The Mighty Buzzard on Sunday March 19 2017, @01:59AM (11 children)
Install the virtualbox package from your distro's package manager.
Fire up virtualbox.
Create an empty Windows VM.
Install Windows on it.
Profit!(?)
Seriously, if you can install Windows on a real box you can install it on a fake one just fine. Just remember that virtual disks start out taking up zero-ish space and only grow as necessary, so don't set a low size value for them.
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(Score: 2) by mhajicek on Sunday March 19 2017, @02:57AM (5 children)
Will windows based CADCAM run in a VM on Linux?
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(Score: 2) by Nerdfest on Sunday March 19 2017, @03:23AM
Almost guarenteed. Pretty much everything will run in a VM, including many of the high-end games. The only place you run into problems is where software insists on talking directly to the hardware, which is fairly rare these days.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19 2017, @08:03AM
Will windows based CADCAM run in a VM on Linux?
Depends, name your poison...
I've had variable success running some of our CADCAM software in VMs, biggest sticking points
1. OpenGL support: it's usually borked to varying (and unpredictable) degrees, so there are limitations you'll have to discover for yourself when running the software in a VM, these limitations might be the deal breaker (e.g. can't simulate and display the design in 3D on the screen that you want to send to the CNC mill).
2. Getting the software to consistently access the usb dongles/protection keys for some of our packages (so much so, that in one case to debug the issue I ended up running a less than kosher version of the main software we had a license for in the VM, the software itself worked reasonably well, the copy protection mechanisms however..)
Try running it, YMMV, but if you want my opinion, and I say this as someone who has been using and administering Linux systems since '93, I'd not bother and just stick with running your software on native hardware (which is what we eventually had to do @work, manglement got the Win7/Win10 bug..and got a bit 'annoyed' at our intransigence).
VMs are fine for a lot of things, you might get lucky and your software may work fine in one, but in our case there were too many things which borked to make it usable so we stuck to running it on native hardware, considering the fact that, thanks to the software requirements, the graphics cards alone in our current CADCAM workstations cost more than the previous complete workstations they've replaced..
Hell, even on my active home network of mainly Linux boxes (9 desktops, two laptops, one netbook, two thin clients), two of them still run Win7 and XP natively for CAD and DAW software which I can't get to function properly in any VM I've tried.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday March 19 2017, @09:07PM (2 children)
For best results you want:
1) A CPU with Intel VT-d or AMD IOMMU, both of which are forms of "directed I/O" which allow a hypervisor to give exclusive access to a given PCIe device to a single VM
2) A separate dGPU, one which is *not* being used to drive your monitor
3) The know-how to configure this feature, called "GPU Passthrough."
I've never gotten to try this myself but have seen youtube demos of the process, including one where a machine had 3 GPUs, a big beefy i7 something or other, and made TWO "virtual gaming machines" on it while reserving the onboard IGP for the host OS's use.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19 2017, @09:45PM
For best results you want:
1) A CPU with Intel VT-d or AMD IOMMU, both of which are forms of "directed I/O" which allow a hypervisor to give exclusive access to a given PCIe device to a single VM
2) A separate dGPU, one which is *not* being used to drive your monitor
3) The know-how to configure this feature, called "GPU Passthrough."
Looks promising, and I'd love to try this @work, but I'm sure the PHB won't release the funds (he begrudges spending money on our critical production systems, yet will still go out any buy fscking Macs that we don't fscking well use...however, it might be an idea to try this the next time I 'reshuffle' my home systems (my firewall needs more memory and CPU/cores, so my current CAD/CAE box is an obvious candidate).
I've never gotten to try this myself but have seen youtube demos of the process, including one where a machine had 3 GPUs, a big beefy i7 something or other, and made TWO "virtual gaming machines" on it while reserving the onboard IGP for the host OS's use.
I'll have a look, cheers.
(sadly I missed out on getting my hands on a fully working but minus the hard disks 32 core system a few weeks back which might have been ideal for this for the princely sum of 30 USD..)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday March 20 2017, @09:52AM
I have this setup.
It's amazing and I love it. A lot. Too much, perhaps :P
(Score: 2) by Snotnose on Sunday March 19 2017, @03:20AM (3 children)
Yeah, you just lost me on step 1. Which VM? Should I install it on Windows or Linux? What do I look out for?
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(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19 2017, @03:37AM (1 child)
He just said virtualbox. Since the whole point of the exercise is to avoid Microsoft's shiny new policies, you should install it in Linux. There's nothing to look out for, step 1 is literally the same as installing any other package from your package manager.
(Score: 2) by Snotnose on Sunday March 19 2017, @01:33PM
Ahhh, didn't get virtualbox was the name of the package, thought it was a generic term.
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(Score: 3, Informative) by driven on Sunday March 19 2017, @06:24AM
Here is an illustrated guide (probably one of many):
http://askubuntu.com/questions/187424/install-windows-7-through-virtual-box [askubuntu.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19 2017, @04:32AM
"Just remember that virtual disks start out taking up zero-ish space and only grow as necessary, so don't set a low size value for them."
Depends how you set it up, but yes, i would recommend adding a dynamic virtual HDD.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19 2017, @02:06AM (4 children)
1. Install VM software (VMware, VirtualBox, etc)
2. In the software, create a virtual machine (there is usually a wizard)
3. Start the created VM and install an OS to it, either from a disk or from an image
4. ???
5. Profit
In other words, just get the software and try it. The only thing you need is OS installation media or its image. Even if you mess up, it's very easy to delete the VM and start over. And unlike the reinstalls directly on the hardware, you can keep using the PC as usual while doing it :)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19 2017, @03:45AM (1 child)
step 3) is what most people dont understand: you can either connect the real physical dvd drive with install media to the new virtual maschine to install -or- if you have iso image file (file ending in .iso) you can "insert", as in select the iso file, to be "inside the virtual dvd drive of the virtual maschine and let the vm boot from there and then go thru os install setup.
its awesome!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19 2017, @03:58AM
Also, you can download ISO files directly from Microsoft now, so no worry about any viruses added by parties not Microsoft.
(Score: 2) by Pino P on Sunday March 19 2017, @05:51AM (1 child)
And unlike the reinstalls directly on the hardware, you can keep using the PC as usual while doing it :)
Won't this use up the Internet activations associated with your product key, instead forcing you to make a phone call, wait on hold for several minutes (payable per minute to your phone provider), and explain your use to a representative in a low-wage country with a thick accent for several minutes (likewise payable per minute to your phone provider)?
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19 2017, @12:49PM
Won't this use up the Internet activations associated with your product key
IIRC, you can use Windows (at least Win7) for up to a month without activating it. So you could fiddle around, wipe and reinstall until you're satisfied (if that word can be used with a Windows installation), and activate only once.
Then you back up the activation token [alternativeto.net], so you don't have to activate it ever again (or as long as your virtual hardware doesn't change).
(Or you could just crack it, cause activations are bullshit, and you should be able to use the software that you paid for without begging for permission.)
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Sunday March 19 2017, @03:29AM (4 children)
Been meaning to ask this for a while now but never felt motivated. I've never run a VM. I know what a VM is, I've used Windows since the 3.1 days, used Unix since 82 or so, was a sysadmin for a couple years, have code in the Linux kernel (couple of drivers).
That said, what are steps 1-5 of setting up and running a VM on either a Linux box or a Win10 box (I've got both).
Buzzard's instructions for Windows are spot on. You can also use VirtualBox on Linux [virtualbox.org].
If you're looking for something more full-featured:
Xen [xenproject.org] works nicely.
KVM [thegeekstuff.com] is also an option.
Or, assuming you have a spare box for a bare metal hypervisor [wikipedia.org], you can even get a free license for VMWare ESXi [vmware.com]
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(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19 2017, @03:45PM (1 child)
nobody was talking about installing virtualbox on fucking windows. the whole point of the question was how to use some slaveware on linux, ffs.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Sunday March 19 2017, @04:40PM
nobody was talking about installing virtualbox on fucking windows. the whole point of the question was how to use some slaveware on linux, ffs.
Actually, OP requested steps to install on Linux or Windows:
For the record, since you appear to only be semi-literate, I didn't give any instructions for installing on Windows.
If you're going to attempt trolling/flaming, you could at least direct your moronic drivel at the right person. I could point you at the post you were likely aiming at, but I''ll leave that as an exercise for you.
I do feel pity for you, since you're either not so bright, new to this sort of thing, or both.
I'm betting on both.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday March 19 2017, @05:11PM (1 child)
Buzzard's instructions for Windows are spot on.
I think my fellow AC was trying to point out when spittle-flecked rage overcame him that The Mighty Buzzard only posted instructions for Linux host / Windows guest, whereas you seem to think those instructions are about Windows host. (Note that "for Windows" isn't terribly specific, so I'm inferring from context.)
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Sunday March 19 2017, @05:34PM
I think my fellow AC was trying to point out when spittle-flecked rage overcame him that The Mighty Buzzard only posted instructions for Linux host / Windows guest, whereas you seem to think those instructions are about Windows host. (Note that "for Windows" isn't terribly specific, so I'm inferring from context.)
I suppose that could be the case, however I only mentioned that in passing.
I stand by my comments.
I'd add that other AC might benefit not only from some remedial literacy classes, but also from anger management counseling as well.
I still feel sorry for him. It's really too bad.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr