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posted by on Wednesday March 22 2017, @10:41AM   Printer-friendly
from the supreme-court-positions-are-different dept.

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More than a decade ago, many Democrats still in office now went along with Gorsuch as he was unanimously confirmed to the 10th Circuit Court of Appeals in July 2006. Things are different today, ahead of his hearing for the highest court in the land.

Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer, D-N.Y., expressed deep doubts during a press conference last Wednesday about the nominee and asserted Gorsuch "may act like a neutral, calm judge," but "his record and his career clearly show he harbors a right wing, pro-corporate, special interest agenda."

[...] Vermont Sen. Patrick Leahy said he would demand "real answers" to questions he has about Gorsuch's judicial philosophy.

"I hope next week, when the president's Supreme Court nominee will appear before the Senate Judiciary Committee, he provides transparent, truthful answers to Senators' questions," Leahy said in a statement. "I will insist on real answers from Judge Neil Gorsuch, because there are real concerns about his record and his judicial philosophy."

Source: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/03/20/gorsuch-won-broad-dem-support-in-2006-now-things-are-different.html


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  • (Score: 2) by lx on Wednesday March 22 2017, @02:31PM (14 children)

    by lx (1915) on Wednesday March 22 2017, @02:31PM (#482723)

    What makes you think that there will be a later in his presidency?

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  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @02:46PM (12 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @02:46PM (#482735)

    What makes you think there won't?
    If you are waiting for that one weird scandal that will take down donald grump, you are going to be waiting a long ass time.
    How many other scandals have had no effect on the guy?

    For decades now the republicans have been fed a steady diet that democrats are utterly despicable traitors. Obama founded ISIS and wasn't even an american, so who cares if trump is working with putin? He was doing it to make america great again by screwing over those traitorous libruls and dirty foreigners with anchor babies taking all the welfare money with the all savage blacks killing each other in the inner cities, having ten babies and too lazy to work since they get free obamaphones.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @02:57PM (11 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @02:57PM (#482743)

      Isn't it funny (and not "ha-ha" funny) how the most fervent frothing-at-the-mouth hypocrites who claim that lying about getting a BJ is about the most vile and traitorous thing one can do, and impeachable, are now completely downplaying the whole issue of potentially colluding and coordinating with a foreign government (Russia, no less!) on influencing a national election?

      • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:09PM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @03:09PM (#482754)

        Its because the republicans have become the party of tribe. They've abandoned the concept of shared american values and reframed it as warring tribes. From that perspective principles only matter so much as they serve to promote the power of the tribe.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday March 22 2017, @04:05PM (7 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday March 22 2017, @04:05PM (#482796) Journal

          You've more or less described the mindset of the group called conservative or right-wing. IIRC the strongest predictor of right-wing political beliefs is the size and activity of the amygdala, which among other things regulates fear and primitive fight or flight responses.

          The study I read, which I unfortunately forgot the name of, implied that conservatives have a different set of moral modules than liberals. In addition to the universal bits about fair play and basic values, they had a much, much stronger disgust/purity axis, and an emphasis on group unity and hierarchy that wasn't there in liberals.

          This explains their emotional and knee-jerk reactions, as well as the violence of same: liberals are in a very real sense an attack on their entire way of being. They look at liberals and wonder, if only subconsciously, how someone so apparently rootless and detached from any central tribal authority can even exist. And it sets off their disgust signals. They're already steeped in fear to begin with, and the combination of fear, disgust, ingroup (and outgroup) mentality, and authoritarianism leads to the kind of behavior we see here.

          It's pathological now, but I suspect the conservative mindset was hugely favorable throughout most of humanity's evolution, which explains why it stuck so hard.

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          • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Wednesday March 22 2017, @10:59PM (1 child)

            by jmorris (4844) on Wednesday March 22 2017, @10:59PM (#482982)

            You are getting very close. Read Anonymous Conservative's The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics [anonymousconservative.com] and you will find there isn't a lot of disagreement with what you just wrote. Then read a few of the blog posts and you might start agreeing with some of them. Then you will be triggered. :)

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday March 23 2017, @01:12AM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday March 23 2017, @01:12AM (#483032) Journal

              Here's a helpful hint, J-Mo, since I'm a generous kind of girl: telling you to your twisted, evil face you're full of shit is the opposite of "triggered." The word you're looking for, or phrase rather, has been expressed in many ways, but in the current zeitgeist it's "ain't nobody got time fo' dat."

              You are not frightening, at least not the way you wish you were; you are pitiable. Far from being some kind of rugged, unique individual, you're just another memetic plague carrier. And now that der Drumpfenscheisser has given your kind what you all think of as an excuse to break cover, we're finding out that there are so many of you you qualify for the label "normie."

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @11:37PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @11:37PM (#482991)

            Only the badly-informed used those terms to refer to the group to which you are pointing.

            The folks to whom you refer are RADICAL.
            That is the -opposite- of Conservative.
            This is like the Nazis calling themselves "Socialist" or the Norks calling themselves "Democratic".

            An *actual* Conservative wants to *conserve* what exists i.e. they like things pretty much as they are.
            A Conservative is someone who stands athwart history, yelling STOP... --William F. Buckley, Jr. [google.com]

            That is NOT what the pointed-to group wants.
            They want to go BACKWARDS in time.
            The name for those folks is REACTIONARY. [google.com]

            ...and "Right-Wing" is not a useful descriptor for those folks either.
            Judging by the people for whom they vote, virtually -all- USAians are Right-Wingers (pro-Capitalism). [politicalcompass.org]
            N.B. Neither Nader nor Kucinich are Left of center (Socialist); both are Liberal Democrats.
            As such, that chart is artificially skewed toward the Left.

            -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 23 2017, @01:11AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 23 2017, @01:11AM (#483031)

            On the differences in morals between liberals and conservatives, I highly recommend The Righteous Mind [righteousmind.com]. It talks a lot about science on what morals are and how they affect our decisions, but the main political argument is that conservatives have more moral principles: liberals generally care just about avoiding harm and maintaining liberty while conservatives also care about values like loyalty and respect for authority. Which results in liberals not understanding conservatives. I'm not convinced that really explains the modern Republican party, but it's interesting and likely a useful point of view to have when arguing with conservatives.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday March 23 2017, @01:22AM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday March 23 2017, @01:22AM (#483035) Journal

              They aren't more moral, they have more morals. There is a difference. And it's hilarious that they think having more rules as opposed to better rules is the way to go, when their own hero Jesus broke it all down to the Golden Rule.

              Honestly I think this is a case of quality over quantity: you can derive all you need from some version of reciprocal ethics. Loyalty may or may not be a part of this, and certainly should not supercede actual harm. Authority gets respect when it earns it; the idea that authority figures are to be respected simply *because* they are authority figures is a complete non-sequitur, and in my experience, leads to much *less* moral behavior on average.

              I actually don't think "respect for authority qua authority" should be counted as a moral value. You can respect an authority because of how or why s/he got there, something like "you respect someone with a black belt not because of the belt but because of what it means to have the belt." But straight up "respect for authority" for its own sake instantly and globally reduces to "might makes right."

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 23 2017, @03:22AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday March 23 2017, @03:22AM (#483063)

            They want to keep the country pure. You see nothing wrong with trashing it, bringing in rape culture from uncivilized cultures.

            The right thing would be for you to realize that conservatives have no where else to go. They are stuck here, defending this place, because they detest much of the rest of the world. You aren't stuck. You love places like Mali and Eritrea, greatly valuing the cultural enrichment... so you should go there. That will make you happy, and the conservatives will be happy too. You experience a culture other than the American one you hate, and the conservatives will be able to preserve their culture. You like preserving cultures too, so that's an extra win.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday March 23 2017, @05:07AM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday March 23 2017, @05:07AM (#483087) Journal

              You don't seem to know who you're talking to. I'm the one who gets shit from some weird anonymous stalker for supposed Islamophobia when I rightly point out that a hell of a lot of these people are uncivilized by any reasonable metric. You know, the one who gets yelled at for pointing out how completely bewildering it is that so much of the left seems to give Islam a free pass when it's basically the antimatter opposite of what they say they believe?

              There are some good things about American culture, though from what I've read I'd do better in Canada or one of the Nordic countries, possibly Japan or South Korea, maybe Costa Rica, but definitely not anywhere in the Middle East. Sorry, but if you think you've got me pegged, you're deluded. It is possible to point out the sins of one side without being an opposite-natured parody of it.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @08:47PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @08:47PM (#482935)

          We see it on this site every day!! All the great evidence and discussion in the world does zilch for the right wingers on here. Actually that is not true, it seems to inspire them to greater heights of bad logic and hypocritical thinking. It is so out of proportion with reality which is why I think there must be quite a few legit shills / propagandists on here.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @04:17PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday March 22 2017, @04:17PM (#482809)

        Oh but it wasn't UNDER OATH! zomg.

        The proper response to people still bringing the blowjob thing up is, "Yeah, you're right. He should have just grabbed her by the pussy and sent a tweet about it."

  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday March 22 2017, @06:15PM

    by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday March 22 2017, @06:15PM (#482861)

    Everybody constantly screams about impeachment but it hardly ever actually happens.

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