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posted by on Wednesday March 29 2017, @09:47AM   Printer-friendly
from the what-could-go-wrong? dept.

Elon Musk has already launched a new company dedicated to linking human brains with computers, The Wall Street Journal's Rolfe Winkler first reported Monday.

Internal sources tell the WSJ that the company, called Neuralink, is developing "neural lace" technology that would allow people to communicate directly with machines without going through a physical interface. Neuralink was registered as a medical research company in California last July.

Neural lace involves implanting electrodes in the brain so people could upload or download their thoughts to or from a computer, according to the WSJ report. The product could allow humans to achieve higher levels of cognitive function.

[...] Musk has expressed his interest in "neural lace" technology before. Musk first described the potential product at Vox Media's Code Conference in 2016, saying it would allow humans to achieve "symbiosis" with machines.

He said the "neural lace" could prevent people from becoming "house cats" to artificial intelligence.

[...] Facebook is also exploring similar technology through its secretive hardware division Building 8. The group is developing non-invasive, brain-computer interface technology that would allow people to communicate with external hardware devices.

Source: Business Insider


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  • (Score: 2) by hellcat on Wednesday March 29 2017, @02:48PM (5 children)

    by hellcat (2832) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 29 2017, @02:48PM (#485918) Homepage

    My impression of Elon is that he's the tech bubble's pretty boy. So, investors with millions to burn look to him for inspiration; he partners with them to "head" spacex, tesla, and now neuralink?

    Here's a small bit of evidence for those on the fence. Elon likes to tout his hyperloop as revolutionary and his all night inspiration. If he had looked a tad bit harder, he could have found an article written about it in Scientific American...

    ... in 1909. By Dr. Robert H Goddard. (Goddard's 2003 biography.)

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  • (Score: 2) by mhajicek on Wednesday March 29 2017, @04:12PM (1 child)

    by mhajicek (51) on Wednesday March 29 2017, @04:12PM (#485989)

    He didn't invent the electric car, but Tesla contributed greatly to development and adoption.

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    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Wednesday March 29 2017, @06:00PM

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday March 29 2017, @06:00PM (#486046) Journal
      He didn't invent rockets either. I'm starting to think that he didn't invent the Sun or paying either!
  • (Score: 3, Informative) by takyon on Wednesday March 29 2017, @06:09PM (2 children)

    by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Wednesday March 29 2017, @06:09PM (#486052) Journal

    Here's a small bit of evidence for those on the fence. Elon likes to tout his hyperloop as revolutionary and his all night inspiration. If he had looked a tad bit harder, he could have found an article written about it in Scientific American...

    ... in 1909. By Dr. Robert H Goddard. (Goddard's 2003 biography.)

    Something tells me he already knew about the electric cars, the vactrain concept, RAND studies of the vactrain concept in the 70s, and that you are exaggerating the way Musky claims to have "come up" with the idea. Let's check...

    https://www.tesla.com/blog/hyperloop [tesla.com]

    August 12, 2013

    [...] Is there truly a new mode of transport – a fifth mode after planes, trains, cars and boats – that meets those criteria and is practical to implement? Many ideas for a system with most of those properties have been proposed and should be acknowledged, reaching as far back as Robert Goddard’s to proposals in recent decades by the Rand Corporation and ET3.

    Emphasis mine. Wikipedia [wikipedia.org] says Musk first mentioned it in public in July 2012. The Q&A [youtube.com] is over an hour long though. If you want to find a misplaced line to roast Musky with, maybe locate a transcript somewhere.

    http://www.spacex.com/hyperloop [spacex.com]

    SpaceX is revolutionizing terrestrial transportation through its Hyperloop transportation services. The company currently provides these services to innovators and universities interested in high-speed transportation technology and solutions. The Hyperloop system built by SpaceX at its headquarters in Hawthorne, California is approximately one mile in length with a six foot outer diameter.

    At least one Musk-controlled webpage uses "revolution" to talk about Hyperloop, but guess what? You have to build it for it to revolutionize transportation. If it begins and ends on paper, it's just a revolutionary idea at best.

    You mention investors. Are investors disappointed in Musk's offerings? SpaceX is still privately owned, and he can do whatever he wants with it given his 54%+ share. He seems to own about 22% of Tesla so maybe there is a way to oust Musk from the CEO position. Why don't they do it? Maybe because they are satisfied with what they are getting. If potential investors are wary of Neuralink, then Musk just might have to fund it himself, won't he?

    My impression of you is that you have an irrational hatred of Musky (which you have helpfully pointed out in the subject line), which may be as bad as excessive fanboyism of Musky. I don't want to sit around and suck the musky dick all day, but you've made it hard not to with such an ineffectual attack.

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    • (Score: 2) by hellcat on Thursday March 30 2017, @02:27PM (1 child)

      by hellcat (2832) Subscriber Badge on Thursday March 30 2017, @02:27PM (#486468) Homepage

      Love your rebuttal! I would've modded you up twice if they'd let me.
      For fun though, I did some reading on what % of Sx he might own. Being private as you noted means we really can't know yet. But this was a good article overall on the valuations:
      https://www.fool.com/investing/2014/09/21/how-much-is-spacex-stock-worth.aspx [fool.com]

      You also nailed my "attitude;" I wanted to do some musk bashing not because I need to, only because it seems so much of the world is in love with him.
      Can he truly be at the helm of 4 (and counting?) companies? Running one is hard enough in any true capacity.

      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday March 30 2017, @03:43PM

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday March 30 2017, @03:43PM (#486527) Journal

        You look at what GOOG/Alphabet Inc. is doing, there is a bit of a meandering focus.

        Google X [wikipedia.org] (drone/balloon Internet, Google Glass, robotics such as Boston Dynamics)
        Google Brain/DeepMind [wikipedia.org] (clearly integrates with core products, but has ambitions all over the place)
        Waymo [wikipedia.org] (driverless cars)
        Google Fiber [wikipedia.org] (likely to be superceded by an MVNO or gigabit wireless)
        Google Ventures [wikipedia.org] (an instrument to throw money around)
        CapitalG [wikipedia.org] (another instrument to throw money around)
        Calico [wikipedia.org] (biotech)
        Verily/Google Life Sciences [wikipedia.org] (that's right, Google has not one, but two biotech related divisions)

        Brin and Page aren't the CEO of each of the parts, they have delegated a lot of work, but they do have the final say. Their core business is also split up (search, advertising, Android, etc.) Likewise, while Musk may like to sit in 4+ CEO chairs at once, I don't think he is essential to day-to-day operations other than being The Decider. His companies have clear goals, and there is some obvious integration between them. See the merger of Tesla and SolarCity and the battery and solar panel gigafactory projects.

        SpaceX's ultimate goal is to get Musk to die on Mars surrounded by his harem of women. Remember, females consume less calories [slate.com] so they are ideal for interplanetary travel. SpaceX can be said to focus on transportation. That is, it doesn't care about stuff like asteroid mining per se, just yet. It has a clear tourism angle, but it's not clear it will try to build "space hotels" like Bigelow Airspace or Virgin Galactic might. It has NASA and private customers on board. It has at least one clear way to reduce to cost of spaceflight: reusable rockets. We may get to see the great era of reusable rockets really kick off several hours from now, when they try to launch a used rocket for the first time. One problem I see with SpaceX is that it is laser-focused on launching chemical rockets. Could the company adapt to use fusion rockets (in space) or EmDrive? Or more down to Earth, will it be able to compete with a working spaceplane, such as Skylon/SABRE?

        About the amount Musk owns, Wikipedia says "By 2016, Musk's private trust holds 54% of SpaceX stock, equivalent to 78% of voting shares". Fool link triggers my uMatrix big time.

        Tesla is pretty simple, but also the riskiest Musk venture in my opinion. Electric cars and an apparent increasing focus on driverless technology. The cars might be great, but they've always been somewhat expensive, and it relies on consumers to survive amid plenty of solid competitors. Compare to SpaceX, which can make a tidy profit just servicing NASA, as long as it doesn't explode too many rockets. If the price of oil was higher, we would probably see a direct impact on Tesla's sales. Even if Musk was the best CEO in the world, Tesla could fail.

        SolarCity is now a subsidiary of Tesla. It's a vertically integrated solar company that sells or finances solar panels to homeowners, as well as building them in the first place (at a gigafactory with Panasonic). This is also the place to mention the Powerwall, a Tesla battery product made at another gigafactory. As hyped up as the "gigafactory" concept is, the first one will apparently be the largest building in the world. The biggest challenge with battery production may be transitioning their giant factory to make a different kind of battery, like the plastic battery [soylentnews.org] with up to double the energy efficiency of current lithium-ion batteries. Other than that, SolarCity seems to be enjoying a market that is growing exponentially. The end of solar subsidies would have an impact on the company, but it is probably too late to squash solar. It can stand on its own now.

        Hyperloop is more of a curiosity for Musk. He said he wanted to open source the idea, and he did. Multiple companies are working on the concept [wikipedia.org] and it may be able to reach realization without Musk's involvement. He has talked about putting the technology on Mars (long-term), where the lower atmospheric pressure may be a boon to vactrains.

        You be the judge of OpenAI [wikipedia.org]. It's a non-profit run using an endowment. Even if it doesn't have a coherent approach to reaching "friendly AI", it can't fail at the rate that its money is spent, other than its AI researchers losing interest and taking their ball elsewhere.

        The Boring Company [wikipedia.org] is at the level of Musk amusing himself. It's similar to Hyperloop in that it may be a reaction to traffic problems in California.

        Neuralink. Whatever it does, the importance is going to be on what the researchers can do in the lab, not what Musk will do as The Decider. There's probably a clear way to get funding/profit even if humans don't get brainchipped.

        Here's some junk on whether Musky is spreading his special sauce too thin:

        http://mashable.com/2015/10/05/jack-dorsey-steve-jobs-elon-musk-twitter-square/ [mashable.com]
        https://www.quora.com/How-does-Elon-Musk-find-the-time-to-be-CEO-of-two-extremely-innovative-and-demanding-companies-SpaceX-and-Tesla [quora.com]
        http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-spacex-tesla-musk-20160902-snap-story.html [latimes.com]

        I think that if his subordinates get stuff done right, he will continue to be fairly successful. SpaceX is a place where things should be able to go right, if he can postpone the explosions. Tesla is subject to the whims of consumers and could be hurt by other auto manufacturers introducing cheaper EVs. However, Tesla may end up selling batteries to other auto makers, since the gigafactory is projected to produce most of the world's batteries.

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