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posted by Fnord666 on Monday April 03 2017, @08:28PM   Printer-friendly
from the sudden-outbreak-of-common-sense dept.

An Anonymous Coward writes:

Camden, New Jersey is a very low income neighborhood. According to this NY Times article, until recently it had typical low income policing--heavy on corruption and violence and low on compassion.

But now they have a new chief and things have changed --

"Handing a $250 ticket to someone who is making $13,000 a year" — around the per capita income in the city — "can be life altering," Chief Thomson said in an interview last year, noting that it can make car insurance unaffordable or result in the loss of a driver's license. "Taxing a poor community is not going to make it stronger."

Handling more vehicle stops with a warning, rather than a ticket, is one element of Chief Thomson's new approach, which, for lack of another name, might be called the Hippocratic ethos of policing: Minimize harm, and try to save lives.

Officers are trained to hold their fire when possible, especially when confronting people wielding knives and showing signs of mental illness, and to engage them in conversation when commands of "drop the knife" don't work. This sometimes requires backing up to a safer distance. Or relying on patience rather than anything on an officer's gun belt.

While not out of the woods yet, it sounds like there is hope for Camden and maybe it won't just continue to be written off as a war zone.


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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 04 2017, @12:10AM (6 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 04 2017, @12:10AM (#488449)

    I have no idea what a functioning market for "policing" would actually look like; I imagine it would be surprising to both of us—as is often the case for evolutionary solutions to complex problems.

    Nevertheless, your scenario indicates that it would be in the interest of competing organizations to establish contractual agreements and protocols, including robust data-collection with regard to policing actions. That might make policing a lot more transparent, and the need to justify actions might temper brutality.

  • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday April 04 2017, @12:30AM (5 children)

    by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday April 04 2017, @12:30AM (#488454)

    Fuck no. You need a major clue brick to the forehead, whether you're a highly persistent troll or actually fundamentally delusional!

    If private prisons paying^W bribing^W offering campaign contributions to judges who send the most people to the slammer isn't enough of a lesson to you, I don't know what will teach you.

    Now instead of three city cop cars trying to maintain the peace, you want three private cop cars trying to cover their expenses by arresting or fining anyone they can find in the vicinity? Why would a private cop ever let someone off with a warning?

    The ideal societal Demand for policing service is ZERO. Where's the market incentive for private competition to drive towards that goal?

    • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 04 2017, @01:57AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 04 2017, @01:57AM (#488489)

      Oh don't worry about him. He breathed a few too many chemtrails during the weather war.

      He'll find something else to post about in good time as he always does.

      Weather war was my favorite. Hopefully he'll do ancient aliens next and tie it in with the Anunnaki.

    • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday April 04 2017, @02:41AM (2 children)

      by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday April 04 2017, @02:41AM (#488508) Homepage

      We've already tried the private police force route. We called it the local mob. Protection for a price.

      --
      And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
      • (Score: 4, Informative) by dry on Tuesday April 04 2017, @06:09AM (1 child)

        by dry (223) on Tuesday April 04 2017, @06:09AM (#488557) Journal

        Need to go back further to the era of the Pinkerton Private Security Agency. Out numbered the US army at one point.

        • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Tuesday April 04 2017, @07:59AM

          by Reziac (2489) on Tuesday April 04 2017, @07:59AM (#488575) Homepage

          Yeah, I was thinking of that too, but they were soon joined by others who followed a different, uh, business ethic.

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          And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
    • (Score: 4, Informative) by NotSanguine on Tuesday April 04 2017, @05:32AM

      If private prisons paying^W bribing^W offering campaign contributions to judges who send the most people to the slammer isn't enough of a lesson to you, I don't know what will teach you.

      And in case you don't know what Bob is talking about, This is what you get when you privatize the criminal justice system. [wikipedia.org]

      There are other examples, but this one is particularly horrendous.

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      No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr