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Not all doctors take home the same amount of money. Orthopedists — doctors who treat bone and muscle problems — make the most on average. Pediatricians, or those who take care of children, earn the least. And white doctors take home significantly more than their equally qualified peers of color, regardless of specialty.
This data comes from the WebMD-owned medical resource Medscape, which crunches the numbers on self-reported annual income from more than 19,200 doctors across 27 specialties for its annual Physician Compensation Report.
Friends in residency programs have often aspired to Radiology as a high-pay, low-risk specialty, but YMMV.
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(Score: 0, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 07 2017, @01:59PM (9 children)
[American] Doctors are some of the hardest working people on the planet; it's in their culture, which probably hails from the military of yore.
When doctors are training, they have traditionally been put on brutal 24-hour shifts, though new rules limited that. Just recently, it was reported [soylentnews.org] that this limitation would be lifted, allowing first-year doctors to work up to 28 hours straight.
When doctors are practicing, they not only face the constant threat of lawsuits for malpractice, but must also fulfill CME (continuing medical education) requirements. That is on top of essentially running a business (or paying someone to run that business).
Being a doctor is not simple stuff.
Let me tell you, these doctors look down upon nurses and physician "assistants", who generally come from low-quality backgrounds with little education beyond their vocational training, and who display a startling degree of the Dunning–Kruger effect [soylentnews.org].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 07 2017, @02:34PM
You have just reconfirmed my belief that most doctors are autocratic assholes.
(Score: 2) by tibman on Friday April 07 2017, @06:17PM
I've seen that show too, it's okay. Too dramatic for me though.
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 07 2017, @08:45PM (2 children)
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In some cases, it is tracking data.
If the URL works without that junk, strip it off before posting the link.
When you get to the Preview page (required for ACs anyway), hover over the link and see if it's what you intended.
Dunning-Kruger effect [wikipedia.org]
First-year doctors will be allowed to work 24-hour shifts starting in July [2017] [washingtonpost.com]
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 07 2017, @08:54PM (1 child)
This system is junk. It's awful for discussion.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 08 2017, @12:16AM
Sez you. I can't look a Reddit pages for more than a few minutes before I get annoyed. My nice calm VT100 green on black here is wonderful. Different strokes for different folks--and it's time you learned some tolerance.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 07 2017, @08:55PM (3 children)
Let me tell you, these doctors look down upon nurses and physician "assistants", who generally come from low-quality backgrounds with little education beyond their vocational training, and who display a startling degree of the Dunning–Kruger effect.
You care to cite any sources for that diarrhea that you just spewed. I know, I know, doctors are the only delicate geniuses that understand medicine.
Registered Nurse is a 4-year program
Physician Assistant is a Masters Program + rotations
Nurse Practitioner is a Masters Program + rotations
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 07 2017, @09:09PM (2 children)
4 years of bachelors degree with medical requirements.
+ 4 years of medical school.
+ 5–7 years of residency
maybe +1 year special focus.
Bish, please.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 07 2017, @09:36PM
Never let reality get in the way of a doctor's ego.
1.) All the programs are bachelors with medical requirements.
2.) Alright, medical school is two years longer than a Masters program. Got me there!
3.) Residency is the where the practitioner has their decisions reviewed by a supervising doctor. This is what a PA does for their career. You seem to think that only a doctor will continue to learn from this arrangement.
3.1) I think you're over inflating typical state residency requirements.
Whatever, I don't argue with fools. Onlookers might not be able to tell the difference.
(Score: 2) by EQ on Saturday April 08 2017, @01:20PM
who generally come from low-quality backgrounds with little education beyond their vocational training
Thats bullshit and you know it. It may have been that way back in the "diploma" days, but not now. RN anymore requires a bachelors, including clinical training. in addition to getting accepted at the college, you need to complete prerequisites in science/math (biology, chemistry, statistics) as well as the academic core. The you have to meet the prerequisites including microbiology, anatomy and physiology, pharmacology, pathophysiology, and developmental psychology. After that you have to pass the NET or TEAS or other pre-nursing exam. Then after all that, entrance is very competitive due to a shortage of instructors.
Ask anyone that's been through the BSN programs - they are held to be one of the more stressful/difficult degree programs out there. Then there are the infamous RN exams - It’s no longer good enough to just be correct; your answers need to be the "most correct", and are often "select all that apply". So you not only need to know the right answers, you need to know all other answers and how to apply them, and most importantly, you have to know the rationale for as answer to determine if it is the most applicable (most correct). This is because a lot of medical interventions and courses of treatment are situational. Example:
The nurse obtains a diet history from a pregnant 16-year-old girl. The girl tells the nurse that her typical daily diet includes cereal and milk for breakfast, pizza and soda for lunch, and a cheeseburger, milk shake, fries, and salad for dinner. Which of the following is the MOST accurate nursing diagnosis based on this data?
1. Altered nutrition: more than body requirements related to high-fat intake
2. Knowledge deficit: nutrition in pregnancy
3. Altered nutrition: less than body requirements related to increased nutritional demands of pregnancy
4. Risk for injury: fetal malnutrition related to poor maternal diet
Did you get that one?
Plus you have to pass state/national board exams (NCLEX), background checks, drug tests and even financial checks after you get your degree in order to qualify to get your state RN license. Add to that, many hospitals are going to an internship/residency type programs for new nurses, until they have enough experience to be trusted in clinical judgement in their specialty area, especially surgery, critical care, psych, and pediatrics. Any more, a Masters is becoming the standard for senior RN positions at top facilities, and some specialty Nurse Practitioner fields are becoming PhD for certification, such as the Certified RN Anesthetist where a Doctorate (DNP) is becoming the "gold standard" along with with board certification.
Add to that you have to recertify your license every 2 years, and must take educational course to fill the required CNE (Continuing Nursing Education) rules as determined by the ANA and ste state Board Of Nursing.
Hardly "low quality backgrounds".