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posted by cmn32480 on Sunday April 16 2017, @08:53PM   Printer-friendly
from the get-on-the-upgrade-treadmill dept.

Betanews reports on an announcement from Microsoft regarding its Windows 10 operating system:

[...] come May 9 it will stop updating the original release, known as 1507. The software giant had intended to stop supporting that release on March 26, but pushed back the deadline.

additional coverage:
Computerworld

related story:
Microsoft Kills Windows Vista On April 11: No Security Patches, No Hot Fixes, No Support, Nada


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  • (Score: 5, Informative) by tftp on Sunday April 16 2017, @09:20PM (17 children)

    by tftp (806) on Sunday April 16 2017, @09:20PM (#494950) Homepage

    Support? Most of it consists of the battle between ways to turn the telemetry off and the ways to turn it back on. These days a careful user who is stuck with Windows runs Windows 7 with all the online updates switched off. The overall risk is lower this way. MS updates cannot be trusted anymore.

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  • (Score: 4, Informative) by Lagg on Sunday April 16 2017, @09:56PM (15 children)

    by Lagg (105) on Sunday April 16 2017, @09:56PM (#494968) Homepage Journal

    Shit, I'm still trying to figure out how to stop the fucking thing from forcefully restarting. I even did the suggested regedits. Telemetry at least has DisableWinTracking

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    • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Sunday April 16 2017, @10:22PM (1 child)

      by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Sunday April 16 2017, @10:22PM (#494978) Homepage Journal

      I didn't know whether to mod that informative or funny. In reality it's kinda sad.

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    • (Score: 5, Informative) by Zyx Abacab on Sunday April 16 2017, @11:46PM (5 children)

      by Zyx Abacab (3701) on Sunday April 16 2017, @11:46PM (#495014)

      The way Windows 10 schedules and enforces updates is with a bunch of tasks in the "UpdateOrchestrator" group. You could use TASKSCHD.MSC to remove the "Reboot" task, but all your changes get nuked after a while.

      Did you know that the Task Scheduler does not store its library in a sane way, like some sort of markup file? Rather, every scheduled task is stored as a binary file in a folder hierarchy right in the filesystem. It's like a shockingly-badly-designed version of Cron.

      Anyway, if you disable the task, then navigate to "%WINDIR%\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\UpdateOrchestrator"...and delete the "Reboot" file...and create a directory named "Reboot"...it'll both prevent the reboots from happening, and the restoration mechanism from undoing your change.

      It's completely insane that this works, if it still works. It's been a while since I switched to Linux. The last version I tried it with was build 14393.

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      (Even so, please switch to Linux, if you can. With Windows 10, there are many more problems than just this.)

      • (Score: 2) by Lagg on Monday April 17 2017, @12:05AM

        by Lagg (105) on Monday April 17 2017, @12:05AM (#495023) Homepage Journal

        Thanks for the tip. Hopefully it still preserves the actual prompt to reboot since that's the only way it's obvious that you have queued updates (sigh). And sadly I would use Linux (and do for things that require sanity such as code) but among other things work and video games locks me into it still and will likely do so for at least another year.

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by Scruffy Beard 2 on Monday April 17 2017, @01:37AM (2 children)

        by Scruffy Beard 2 (6030) on Monday April 17 2017, @01:37AM (#495054)

        Sounds a lot like sytemd [freedesktop.org], actually.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by frojack on Monday April 17 2017, @03:45AM

          by frojack (1554) on Monday April 17 2017, @03:45AM (#495087) Journal

          Snort...

          systemd is clear-air transparent compared to windows 10.

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        • (Score: 2) by Zyx Abacab on Monday April 17 2017, @04:26AM

          by Zyx Abacab (3701) on Monday April 17 2017, @04:26AM (#495101)

          Unlike Windows, Linux gives you choice: you can replace systemd with OpenRC or Minit, or just stick with SysVinit.

          Heck, I'd like to see any swapping-out of low-level system components with Windows. That'd really be something.

      • (Score: 2) by Arik on Monday April 17 2017, @04:36AM

        by Arik (4543) on Monday April 17 2017, @04:36AM (#495106) Journal
        "Anyway, if you disable the task, then navigate to "%WINDIR%\System32\Tasks\Microsoft\Windows\UpdateOrchestrator"...and delete the "Reboot" file...and create a directory named "Reboot"...it'll both prevent the reboots from happening, and the restoration mechanism from undoing your change."

        Hah. Yes, interesting to see if that still works. An old DOS trick was to make a directory with a particular name to prevent a file with the same name from being created. So for instance if you wanted Netscape Navigator to do session cookies but Netscape hadn't yet heard of session cookies, you could just go find cookies.txt, delete it, then make a directory named cookies.txt there. (On *nix you linked cookies.txt -> /dev/null instead but with DOS you had to be more creative sometimes.)

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    • (Score: 2) by Techwolf on Monday April 17 2017, @01:10AM (4 children)

      by Techwolf (87) on Monday April 17 2017, @01:10AM (#495044)

      A friend of mine got the same problem, his Blender renders take over a full day and there is no way to force windows to be in non-sleep or non-reboot state for over 9-20 hours. I did suggest to him that Benders runs on Linux better. Lets hope he is not deaf.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @10:03AM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @10:03AM (#495194)

        Sorry. That counts as a "Business use" of Windows 10. That is disallowed.

        - Microshaft

      • (Score: 3, Funny) by tangomargarine on Monday April 17 2017, @03:15PM

        by tangomargarine (667) on Monday April 17 2017, @03:15PM (#495287)

        I did suggest to him that Benders runs on Linux better.

        Well don't leave us hanging, man! Has he told Microsoft to bite his shiny metal ass yet?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @07:09PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @07:09PM (#495430)

        Surprise reboots during important work?
        Remember, one can unplug the internet, (or disable wireless), whilst rendering.

        Then the computer will not receive instructions form the mothership.
        Problem solved.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @10:07AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @10:07AM (#495195)

      Dude, get a spare HDD, plug it in, make it first bootable device, install Ubuntu, use it for one month.
      Maybe Windows is good for games.
      For everything else, Ubuntu is Good Enough(tm)

  • (Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @01:56AM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 17 2017, @01:56AM (#495061)

    On OSX disabling automatic updates is as simple as unchecking a box.