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posted by on Wednesday April 19 2017, @07:39AM   Printer-friendly
from the Free-as-in-TANSTAAFL dept.

Fedora is drafting a new mission statement. The new initial proposal:

Fedora creates an innovative platform that lights up hardware, clouds, and containers for software developers and community members to build tailored solutions for their users.

The original goal was:

to work with the Linux community to build a complete, general purpose operating system exclusively from open source software.

Is saying open, or free, openly (excuse the pun) becoming something to be ashamed of? Are project ditching their ideals? Fedora barely mentioned free (or Free, to be more clear), but now it's even more vague. It's like if had to be reminded over and over to those in charge, as the triggered thread demostrates.


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  • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday April 19 2017, @03:57PM (4 children)

    by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday April 19 2017, @03:57PM (#496377)

    You'll get errors and warnings out the ass. I've yet to successfully compile anything on AIX (no I am not a comp.sci major either).

    Er...not to be rude or anything, but that's a pretty big disclaimer.

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  • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Wednesday April 19 2017, @05:43PM (1 child)

    by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday April 19 2017, @05:43PM (#496441) Journal

    Well, I, also, have yet to compile any Linux software on AIX. Of course, I don't have access to any AIX system. (Are they still even selling those?)

    The thing is, the POSIX standard only defines a subset of the libraries used...and actually, even there it's a bit loose. Using libraries that aren't mentioned by the POSIX standard doesn't mean you aren't POSIX compliant. Even Unix boxes have libraries that aren't mentioned in the POSIX standard, and many programs use those libraries. What it does say is this particular set of libraries exists and they work in this particular way. And it's true that Linux doesn't quite adhere to that standard, but it comes quite close. It's just that fewer and fewer programs only depend on the POSIX standard.

    P.S.: I just checked and apparently IBM *is* still selling AIX. But they sure aren't pushing it in the places I look.

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    • (Score: 3, Funny) by jasassin on Thursday April 20 2017, @07:49AM

      by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Thursday April 20 2017, @07:49AM (#496748) Homepage Journal

      Well, I, also, have yet to compile any Linux software on AIX. Of course, I don't have access to any AIX system. (Are they still even selling those?)

      I got samba (smbd and nmbd) to compile on SCO Unix 3.2.4.2 but my manager made me ixnay that before the owner found out since we (hardware dept) were pushing Linux.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @05:47PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 19 2017, @05:47PM (#496443)

    It really isn't. Plenty of people have no degrees and are very well-educated about computer science.

    • (Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Wednesday April 19 2017, @06:05PM

      by tangomargarine (667) on Wednesday April 19 2017, @06:05PM (#496455)

      Programming in general, sure, but when we're talking about the finer points of compiling between different Unices I'd like to see some credentials or job experience or something to justify that "I couldn't get it to work" doesn't mean "I banged on it for an afternoon without knowing what I was doing."

      For the record, I don't consider myself more than a notch or two above the latter. Definitely not a greybeard :)

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