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posted by martyb on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:42AM   Printer-friendly
from the reality-and-perception dept.

During the cold war, there was a clear narrative: an ideological opposition between the US and the Soviet Union. Moments of great tension were understood as episodes within that narrative. The closest we came to nuclear confrontation was the 1962 Cuban missile crisis, when the two countries seemed on the edge of war. But the crisis itself was finished inside a fortnight, and there was a wider framework to fall back on. The 1963 Partial Test Ban Treaty calmed the waters.

Then, in the early 1980s the tough-talking but critically derided , Ronald Reagan was elected US president. He reignited the cold war rhetoric and began escalating the arms race, and there was an assumption – particularly in Europe – that nuclear destruction was creeping closer. But it was still within a recognisable context. That ended with the collapse of communism, and the fall of the Berlin Wall. For a while the world felt a much safer place than it had been.

But the cold war was replaced by uncertainty. And now the uncertainty is combined with the unpredictability of Donald Trump. The recent bombing raids in Syria and Afghanistan were isolated moments, without any sense of programme or continuity. Nor does there seem any logic to why North Korea should have suddenly become a pressing issue. Incidents that seem to arrive out of the blue can be much more frightening. We're probably not on the verge of nuclear war, but it's destabilising if we can't make sense of events.

Is the world more dangerous now than during the cold war?

[Related]: Nuclear war will ignite in May 2017, mystic Horacio Villegas says

What do you think ?


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  • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:22AM (7 children)

    by kaszz (4211) on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:22AM (#498213) Journal

    During the cold war it was more or less a stand of as no-one really had a edge over the other. Now it's more complicated because some person "Khan" started to smuggle and sell the knowledge and parts to build the bomb to various bad countries. So the present day situation is that of many unreliable states and rough stand alone actors. And everybody has to keep calm in order to keep the world i a peaceful state.

    Think of it from a game and control theory. In a situation where there are many variables the equations becomes complex and when the number of actors increase over time. Murphy's law tends to set in.

    Then we have big economic tension between various parts and theological nut jobs that would use these things for no reason and without concern.

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  • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:38AM (3 children)

    by bob_super (1357) on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:38AM (#498219)

    In a nutshell: Globally a lot more stable, while locally still unstable, with a sprinkle of high-profile but low-risk factor: the international irresponsible non-state actor (Mexican mafias doing more than drug trade, ISIS, Al-quaeda...).

    The high number of refugees may actually be a good symptom: Who gave a [bleep] about many of the local massacres in the past? People died right away or got trapped inside countries despite shitty situations, allowing everyone else to ignore them for years or decades. Feel good about some boat people rescued, let millions die quietly. A slap of refugees in your face is a good way to notice that while you have problems, you can't keep ignoring other who have bigger ones (often caused by you).

    • (Score: 2) by Bot on Sunday April 23 2017, @08:43AM (2 children)

      by Bot (3902) on Sunday April 23 2017, @08:43AM (#498234) Journal

      "Caused by you".

      Unless you voted for your bank to deal with arms, or for the rebuilding entities to profit from foreign destruction, it is not caused by you, and in fact the mainstream media who routinely assign responsibility to entire countries is no different from the nazis who killed 10 civilians for each german soldier. Collective responsibility is totalitarian and evil just like collective punishment. Do not fall for this perspective. You are responsible for your own shortcomings.

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      • (Score: 2) by maxwell demon on Sunday April 23 2017, @10:06AM

        by maxwell demon (1608) on Sunday April 23 2017, @10:06AM (#498255) Journal

        Unless you voted for your bank to deal with arms,

        When you chose your bank, did you some research on how much they are involved in such deals, and take that information into consideration when doing your choice? If you didn't (and most people didn't; I don't exclude myself here), then you do share some responsibility for it. Not much, mind you, but certainly a bit.

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      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Monday April 24 2017, @04:15PM

        by bob_super (1357) on Monday April 24 2017, @04:15PM (#498910)

        > Unless you voted for [snip]

        The beauty of democracy is that all people are responsible for the actions of their government, regardless of whether they voted for those particular guys or those who lost.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:41AM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:41AM (#498221)

    Your comment about the number of variables increasing is true, and important.

    During the cold war the variables were basically NATO on one side and the Soviets
    on the other side. On both sides the situation was managed by professionals.

    Now, the world is a nasty mix of the aforementioned professionals and a bunch of amateurs,
    all of whom are engaged in the making of war. The amateurs are FAR more dangerous
    than the professionals, and are much less predictable as well. This makes the world today
    far more dangerous than the world of the Cold War era.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @01:52PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @01:52PM (#498325)

      lol professionals...

      who are these mysterious "professionals"? i think you watch too much james bond.

      • (Score: 2) by HiThere on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:06PM

        by HiThere (866) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:06PM (#498454) Journal

        Professionals are people who earn their living at a task. I'd be willing to call any general a professional at war and murder. CEOs are not professionals at war and murder, they are amateurs at such tasks. They are professionals at a different set of tasks. Similarly politicians.

        It's an interesting question how to categorize Putin here. He may count as a professional at war and murder, even though he didn't usually govern troops. But Trump is not a professional at such, and the indications are that he's unwilling to listen to the advice of professionals.

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