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FossaMail ( https://www.fossamail.org/ ) announced that they will be shutting down next month, and I must search for a replacement email program again. So far, my research for replacements found Claws Mail, and Slypheed, but are there any other stand alone email programs that are being updated? One other requirement is PGP support for encrypted messages.
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< nobse> bleh... last night I had a dream... someone NMU'ed vim...
nightmare
-- in #debian-devel
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @07:59AM (18 children)
I realize that this will not be a popular opinion around these here parts, but it's true. E-mail clients are dead. The government and enterprise sectors already have and use Microsoft Outlook. Just about everyone else uses webmail. There is just no point in maintaining or creating an e-mail client these days.
(Score: 5, Informative) by aristarchus on Sunday April 23 2017, @08:24AM (7 children)
Here is my lawn, stay the hell on it! E-mail is text only, ascii, no html, no javascript. Thus, no need for any kind of "webmail" interface. Give me a client, one I can configure and control as I see fit. Anyone using "ConstantContact" or "MailChimp" are enemies of humanity, and are to be shot on sight. Just because you call it "marketing", that does not mean you are not a spammer. Bastards. And you think I may want to view your message in a browser? Why the fuck would I want to to that, unless I was willing to have you execute all kinds of code on my system, without my explicit permission, and at my expense? What the fuck do you think I am, a Windows Ten user?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @08:51AM (1 child)
Here is my lawn, stay the hell on it!
Occupy My Lawn is a thing now? OK dude. Lemme park my trailer home. Wanna see the sword that killed Lincoln?
(Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:05AM
Perhaps I was not clear: get your html e-mail off my lawn!!!
Wanna see the sword that killed Lincoln?
Obvious fake! Everyone knows, from Bill O'Really's book, that the Vampire Slayer got killed with his own magical rail-splitting axe!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Sunday April 23 2017, @01:20PM (1 child)
I used an email client for years that was HTML. I'm having a brain fart at the moment, and can't name the damned thing right now. Oh - Pegasus Mail. I think it was Windows only, but I could be wrong. I was still on dial up, with more or less intermittent access to the internet. I could save all my mail, from all of my accounts, on my machine, read it, compose email to send later if/when I had internet, whatever.
If you are making the point that email SHOULD only be text, I sorta agree, but not 100%. I've gotten used to viewing images, without opening a separate application to do so. And, PDF's. Attachments can be dangerous, but since I don't have any adobe or microsoft software on my machine, the danger is rather minimal. I'll open attachments that I'm expecting, as well as attachments from trusted sources. Of course, NEVER OPEN ATTACHMENTS FROM UNTRUSTED AND/OR UNKNOWN SOURCES!! But, I think everyone here already knows that, right?
Agree 100% about javascript though. That, and cross site scripting, should both die.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by noneof_theabove on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:54PM
Pegasus Email is still around at pmail.com
Along with its counter part Mercury Mail Server.
Yes, Windows ONLY but I have never tried it in WINE on Linux.
Much more configurable than web-mail.
If I remember Yahoo! the overload of spam only allows 25 in the blacklist with is not comprehensive.
Running Mercury in front of any email client lets you aggregate many mail pulls from IMAP and POP, then do a much better customizing of deliver.
Use it from 1999 until I retired in July 2014 and the pmail.com has updates from April 2017.
Just my $0.01.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by butthurt on Sunday April 23 2017, @03:23PM
> E-mail is text only, ascii, no html [...]
No Greek alphabet, then?
(Score: 2, Interesting) by MikeVDS on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:12PM (1 child)
Serious Question:
My company uses MailChimp, and I hate it. What is a very user friendly way to replace it?
(Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Sunday April 23 2017, @06:28PM
Tell them you want mailchimp out, but not around blacks, because "chimpout" will be all that they hear.
(Score: 4, Insightful) by maxwell demon on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:41AM (1 child)
In the age of HTML mails, anyone who has half a brain and is the slightest bit security conscious will use a standalone mail program. The typical webmail interface will not work well without JavaScript enabled, and since from the browser's point of view the email comes from the same source as the interface, it will happily execute also any script found in the email interface.
And that is before considering the privacy implications that come from the mail provider knowing exactly what mail you are watching when, instead of just noticing the regular bulk downloads from your mail client.
And certainly the mail client won't shove advertisements (other than spam mails evading the filter) in my face (technically one could of course write one that does, but that would for me be the reason to switch clients ASAP).
The Tao of math: The numbers you can count are not the real numbers.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 23 2017, @09:28PM
...and as was mentioned way up in the (meta)thread (though it wasn't explained all that well), you NEVER want something to go straight into your main inbox.
ALWAYS give out your email address as
OldFriend.MyInbox@MyDomain.com
Long-TimeBusinessAssociate.MyInbox@MyDomain.com
UnknownEntity.MyInbox@MyDomain.com
UntrustworthyDouchebag.MyInbox@MyDomain.com
etc.
When some entity proves to be a dick, nuke that inbox.
GMail, as an example, ignores the dot in an email address, so this is unworkable with their webmail service.
You absolutely must have your own domain to manage your email effectively.
...and, of course, an email client.
-- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 2) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Sunday April 23 2017, @12:00PM
I realize that this will not be a popular opinion around these here parts....
Not so much unpopular as puzzling because you forgot to put in the [sarcasm] tags.
It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
(Score: 2) by TheRaven on Sunday April 23 2017, @12:11PM (2 children)
sudo mod me up
(Score: 2) by urza9814 on Monday April 24 2017, @03:17PM (1 child)
I think you've got Linux/Android confused here. My Linux distro came with a reasonable mail client; my Android device came with one that does nothing but feed data to Google -- which I had to replace with K-9 Mail.
(Score: 2) by TheRaven on Monday April 24 2017, @03:46PM
sudo mod me up
(Score: 1) by Deeo Kain on Sunday April 23 2017, @05:39PM
I think it's not M$ Out-of-luck that killed the classic email clients, it has been around for decades.
I think it's smartphone IM apps that did.
(Score: 1) by pTamok on Monday April 24 2017, @07:10AM (1 child)
I have noticed that many people use instant messaging (which may incorporate images or video) instead of email, and it seems to be a cultural shift, aided by the fact that many of the messaging media are proprietary and have, to a greater or lesser extent, features that lock people in to a particular platform.
In my case, I noticed this shift when my employer made use of instant messaging mandatory, and your messaging client had to show your status, which coincided with many people thinking that they had a right to interrupt what I was doing and that I had a responsibility to respond to instant messages immediately. I thought it was getting silly when I was on an audioconference, and had three simultaneous instant messaging conversations going on. There is academic work to show that multitasking might make you feel as though you are being effective, but in reality, it is not an efficient way of working.
I like email, but I also like Usenet (there are still one or two civilised corners), and IRC. That marks me out as a dinosaur. It may well be I like them because I am introverted, and like to consider what I say or write, whereas my experience of a visible proportion of others is that many like to fill silence with vapid remarks. I try (but do not succeed) to live in accordance with the saying: it is better to remain silent and be thought a fool than open my mouth and remove all doubt. Many people cannot conceive of the possibility of their own foolishness.
I think many people used email when there was, in their view, no good other choice; and now that 'rich' instant messaging clients are available, they feel instant messaging is more in keeping with their preferred style of communication: so the people left using email are those who choose to use it, which is a much smaller user-base. Consequently, there are fewer resources devoted to its development.
I hope email never goes away, but just as fewer and fewer people retain fixed/land-line telephones, I'm sure some people eschew email. Companies tend to use Facebook, Twitter and web-forms as means of contact with their customers and email is de-emphasised. I can see email going the way of Usenet: used by some, abused by many, and no-longer relevant to most people. Which is a shame.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday April 24 2017, @03:22PM
I'd agree. I think email gets used less because there'll be another option that better fits the communication need. But I don't think email will die any more than radio died when television started or than the phone died when skype started. It depends on the communication need/desire: phone, email, text, plethora of IM, skype, twitter, etc.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 25 2017, @03:05AM
"The government and enterprise sectors already have and use Microsoft Outlook. Just about everyone else uses webmail."
and 97% of the population is damn near retarded. that leaves about 3% of people who use linux and an email client. no shit, dumb ass.