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The Liberal premier of Ontario announced details of the Ontario Basic Income Pilot. The provincial government issued a press release saying
Three regions will take part in the study. Pilots will start in late spring in Hamilton, including Brantford and Brant County; and in Thunder Bay and the surrounding area. The third pilot will start by this fall [autumn] in Lindsay.
The Basic Income model Ontario has developed will ensure that eligible participants receive:
Up to $16,989 per year for a single person, less 50 per cent of any earned income
Up to $24,027 per year for a couple, less 50 per cent of any earned income
Up to an additional $6,000 per year for a person with a disability.
[...] The three test regions will host 4,000 participants eligible to receive a basic income payment, between the ages of 18 to 64. By late spring, people in these areas will begin receiving information about the pilot and how to participate. The province is partnering with these communities and other experts to make sure that the Ontario Basic Income Pilot is fair, effective, and scientifically valid.
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Ontario is Starting a Universal Basic Income Pilot
(Score: 4, Flamebait) by edIII on Tuesday April 25 2017, @09:38PM (21 children)
It's my money because I worked for it you dumb mother fucker. They need to PAY ME, because I WORKED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!! You insinuate that we never deserved it in the first place. That's what you forget. It was taking from us. Why the fuck would I work for less than what I need you stupid fucker?!!!!!!!
That's the executives sitting their with the stolen money in their wallets, under the fucking delusion that is their money. Let me rephrase it for your stupid fucking ass:
ME: Hey, Bob! Ummm, I worked pretty hard today. Got all of my targets met, and I uhh, don't have enough to live, eat, and pay bills.
BOB: Gee, why is that?
ME: Well, and maybe you didn't understand, but my money is in YOUR wallet. Please reach into your wallet and give MY money back.
BOB: Huh?
ME: You need to pay me enough so that I can survive. I didn't get that today, because you took some of it and pocketed it. Please take it out so that I can have MY money back.
BOB: It doesn't work that way. I went to an IVY LEAGUE SCHOOL and I know all the big people. It's who you know.
ME: What does that have to do with my production? Do you agree I worked today?
BOB: Of course you worked, but what you don't understand is that I can replace you, outsource you, and that in reality, you have no value.
ME: Ummm, Bob, what the fuck does that have to do with the 10 hours I just worked? You need to pay me so that I can survive.
That's the reality you fucking asshole. I'm working just as hard as Bob, who takes long lunches and puts alcohol on his expense account (of which I don't have) and then shows up at 4pm to tell me that I need to do more work after hours. You can go apply for a job at Walmart and/or McDonald's and be an instant ward of the state. That's wrong because I put in a full day of work.
How about YOU explain why Bob gets so much fucking money, and I deserve to be paid less than what I need?
BI is not required. Only Living Wages are required, and if we get back to Unions being strong as fuck we can have it. Because it is in issue of representation and group negotiation for work offers. Do NOT SIT there and act like American and Canadian workers get paid fairly. Not fucking nearly enough. SO when we ask for that money, that you feel is being asked without merit, we are asking for OUR fucking money back.
WE WORKED FOR IT YOU FUCK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We DESERVE IT!!!
WE ARE GOING TO TAKE BACK WHAT IS OURS, OR THE WORLD WILL FUCKING BURN. Deal with it bitch.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 25 2017, @09:42PM
Hillary lost. Your million cunt march didn't get you what you think you deserve. Bitch.
(Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday April 25 2017, @09:43PM (2 children)
This soylentbob sounds like an ass..
(Score: 3, Insightful) by edIII on Tuesday April 25 2017, @10:02PM (1 child)
They mostly are.
I've had unfortunate experiences in my life around executives. Arguments about how the employees are only there to fuck them. From their perspective, it was already an Us. Vs. Them deal.
What pissed me off was watching them drink alcohol during work hours while actively railing against how much water the girls in a call center were drinking. In a desert. Talking 8 hours a day.
Yep. A couple hundred dollars (a day or two of lunch expenses) was too much to spend on those hard working women each *month*. They can bring in their own extra water, paid for by themselves.
That's why I'm so pissed all the time. Workers consistently denied what they need to survive, consistently denied any real chances for advancement, consistently denied workplace safety, and basically consistently denied any time they ask for more. Even though they work for it. Every single day, they work hard enough to deserve dignity.
That SoylentBob isn't just an asshole. He is bound for a spike in hell because of how he treated his brothers and sisters, and how he took so much during his life and never gave back shit.
Technically, lunchtime is at any moment. It's just a wave function.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 26 2017, @04:31AM
Block him from SoylentNews!!! [soylentnews.org]
(Score: 4, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 25 2017, @09:51PM (14 children)
You worked for their money? I think not. I think you worked for your money by giving them a day's effort and they paid you a mutually agreed upon amount for it. That their intelligence allows them to make more of a unit of effort than yours does is nobody's fault but your own. That they're so good at it that they can then afford to subcontract out the labor does not mean you deserve per work unit what they do. You still only deserve what you deserve because your utility is != to their utility.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday April 25 2017, @10:08PM (4 children)
Are you secretly the "series of contracts" guy? Sounds like you just want the freedom to totally screw over other people, probably sneak in some bullshit fineprint that makes them your literal slave if they fail to do some insignificant bullshit. People like you make me want to believe in religion, and not for good reasons.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Tuesday April 25 2017, @10:24PM (1 child)
The series of contracts guy is just some Aspie loser somewhere. He's weird, and delusional, but he doesn't seem evil. More hopelessly dogmatic, something like APK and the hosts file thing on The Green Site. Uzzard here is, as has been mentioned, a self-professed sociopath. He is a good coder, but that's *all,* and you know what your momma says about single purpose devices in the kitchen...
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 25 2017, @10:44PM
You wouldn't know a sociopath if one skinned your cat, darlin. It's just another meaningless label coming from you; like misogynist, racist, transphobe, etc...
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 25 2017, @10:46PM (1 child)
I'm not secretly anyone. I go by the same name on this site that I go by at home and with most of my family. And ask around, I'm not even remotely shy about putting my views under my own handle.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 26 2017, @02:12PM
Your "views"? You claim your horrible shit is trolling, but then your a no nonsense straight shooter. You lie, you troll for laughs, you have very selfish viewpoints... Your opinion matters less and less as people figure these things out about you. Try being honest and not lying on a daily basis.
(Score: 2) by http on Tuesday April 25 2017, @11:32PM (8 children)
You are operating under the delusion that workers and employers come to a bargaining table with equal power.
You're getting very angry for no good reason, and it can't be good for your blood pressure. You would do well to shut up about all things not coding rehash. Both your health and the conversation on SN would improve.
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Tuesday April 25 2017, @11:59PM (7 children)
I'm not remotely angry, man. This is just how I talk. Now back on-topic...
Have you ever, in your entire life, worked in a union shop? They absolutely have enough bargaining power to make it cheaper on a company to pull up stakes and relocate somewhere cheaper. Why do you think manufacturing has been so heavily outsourced?
Me, I have plenty of bargaining power all on my own. All it requires is the knowledge that you can get a job equally as good before you burn through your savings and a willingness to tell your employer to go fuck himself. If you lack either the skills or the savings for that, it's entirely because of your own foolishness.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by http on Wednesday April 26 2017, @01:31AM (6 children)
Unions are tangential to the point I'm making, but you're only underlining my point: without ganging up, workers cannot even come close to applying pressure to an employer. When was the last time you heard about someone getting a job and having the company move to them, for example?
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 2) by jmorris on Wednesday April 26 2017, @02:17AM (2 children)
Do you even read the news? Or do you even read what you write before hitting post? Good grief.
When was the last time you heard about someone getting a job and having the company move to them, for example?
Happens every frickin' day. That is the root of the problem, really. Companies being forced to move the jobs to where the workers are. If you are a rich guy with a factory do you really think you WANT to go to the bother of packing the whole thing up and moving it elsewhere? Why do you think they do it? Because they can't afford workers with the required skills in the area where the factory currently is at. So they compare the all in price of moving workers in vs moving the factory and decide it easier and cheaper to move the factory to the labor. And there goes another few thousand jobs to Mexico, China, Indonesia or some other craphole.
You complaint, and most everybody else here, seems to be you don't like the idea of competing with the whole world for your job. Yea it sucks but lets hear your alternative. The root of the problem is not the inequality within the U.S. or any of the 1st world countries, it is the vast gulf of inequality between the U.S. and the poorest 3rd world country with just enough political stability and infrastructure to allow it to compete for your job.
No Trump probably can't fix this problem without making several worse ones.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 26 2017, @02:25AM
it is the vast gulf of inequality between the U.S. and the poorest 3rd world country with just enough political stability and infrastructure to allow it to compete for your job.
Clearly, the solution is to let our infrastructure and political process rot, and then we'll be able to compete with them for jobs.
(Score: 2) by http on Thursday April 27 2017, @05:08AM
This is the perfect troll! Cogent, plausible to the naive, and 100% wrong. Kudos.
Nopody in Mexico aspired to work for Ford/GM/whathaveyou, but when the plant moved there, hey, a crap job is better than no job.
You're kidding yourself. Companies choosing to move to where cheaper workers are available, in hopes of maintaining high ROI and gold plated executive payouts.
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday April 26 2017, @02:48AM (2 children)
No, unions are the answer to your point. They need not even be localized. They could simply be all class-3 widget makers declaring that class-3 widgets will not be made for under $23/hr across the nation.
Mind you, they're each and every one cannibalistic by nature and will end up destroying the jobs of those they propose to represent; but for a very short time they're actually useful.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 26 2017, @02:19PM (1 child)
This site is a hotbed for corporate fascists such as yourself. You shouldn't be allowed to claim being a US citizen. But neither should 33% of the population who hate individual freedom and love freedom of profits.
You're all SOOO DUMB. Tmb, jmorris, khallow and sometimes runaway. Promoting the horrors of yesterday.
The WORST part? None of you are actually blithering idiots which makes it that much worse to see it wasted on trolling and shitty ideology.
(Score: 2) by http on Thursday April 27 2017, @05:11AM
EASE UP, there, a.c. They're welcome to their citizenship. I would fucking hate it if they moved away from the US and came here.
I browse at -1 when I have mod points. It's unsettling.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 26 2017, @01:10AM (1 child)
If Bob isn't paying you as much as you want, quit working for him and work somewhere else. You might consider the possibility that your personality is getting in the way of getting paid well.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday April 26 2017, @01:52AM
Because there's such an abundance of jobs, it's easy to find a better one.