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posted by mrpg on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:01AM   Printer-friendly
from the I'm-charles-coward dept.

A study published earlier this month in the journal Science Advances examines the effects of onymity – that is, the opposite of anonymity – on Chinese students in a classic two-player social experiment in which the most rational choice is betrayal. What researchers found, however, seems to defy rationality: Participants who learned each other's names opted for cooperation over treachery.

In an age marked by xenophobia and political polarization, studying onymity may offer insight into practical ways of helping strangers get along. This particular study suggests that even small steps toward getting to know one another can bring big benefits for society as a whole, whether it's in a town hall meeting, on a jammed roadway, or in an online discussion forum.

"Since the spirit of cooperation that social cohesion is based upon is crumbling away in some places, be it on Facebook or in societies that are about to be torn apart about issues such as immigration, we sought insight into what enhances cooperation," said co-author Jürgen Kurths from the Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research, Germany, who contributed statistical analyses, in a statement.

No self-respecting geek would ever cooperate with others.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by c0lo on Thursday April 27 2017, @12:15PM (17 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 27 2017, @12:15PM (#500622) Journal

    No self-respecting geek would ever cooperate with others.

    [Citation needed]

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @01:05PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @01:05PM (#500655)

    Just typing [citation needed] is not cooperative at all...

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday April 27 2017, @01:41PM (3 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 27 2017, @01:41PM (#500671) Journal

      A single counter-example is enough to demonstrate the falsity of an assertion. So...

      Since Linux is an example of massive cooperation (and if you dare to deny that, you are a dork [energyvanguard.com]), there is only one ways the "self-respecting geeks don't cooperate" assertion can be true in this case, and that is:

      At any given time, at most one person in the Linux development team is/was a self-respecting geek

      So, Phoenix666, are you willing to demonstrate that the above is true?

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
      • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday April 28 2017, @02:26AM (2 children)

        by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday April 28 2017, @02:26AM (#501013) Journal

        The premise of the study was that you build trust by exchanging names and getting to know one another socially. I can't think of anything more anathema to the geek archetype than that, and such was the context of my statement.

        FOSS and endeavors like Soylent are examples of geeks cooperating with each other in the wider sense of the word, but none of them know each other's real names and all of them work from their parents' basement.

        We can both be right.

        --
        Washington DC delenda est.
        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday April 28 2017, @06:56AM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 28 2017, @06:56AM (#501058) Journal

          We can both be right.

          In general, true.

          In this case in particular:
          1. unfortunately you didn't address the Linux case - e.g. at least Linus Torvalds and Alan Cox were personally known to each other, they are self-respecting geeks and they did collaborate (which makes this a counterexample to your asserted rule)
          2. the Venn-diagram I linked - here it is once again [energyvanguard.com] - classifies geeks as not socially inept (thus "getting to know one another socially" is not unusual). Your assertion may be right for dorks, nerds and dweebs.

          Note that, at least for nerds, being "socially inept" is not necessarily a component of the (volitive) ethos, most of the time is pure ineptitude (a inability/disability rather than a rule against social engagement); therefore I wouldn't classify it as trait potentially subject to anathema.
          I can believe the statement that some dorks (lacking the intelligence dimension) may see in not being social inept a betrayal to some values.

          (apologies for my sudden relapse in pedantry, it happens from time to time)

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          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
        • (Score: 1) by charon on Friday April 28 2017, @06:51PM

          by charon (5660) on Friday April 28 2017, @06:51PM (#501272) Journal
          I'll have you know I moved out of my mother's basement and into a stranger's basement years ago. You've got me on the hating socialization part though.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @03:31PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @03:31PM (#500731)

      I have a macro for that[citation needed], you insensitive clod.

  • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday April 27 2017, @04:37PM (10 children)

    by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday April 27 2017, @04:37PM (#500776) Journal

    No self-respecting geek would ever cooperate with others.

    [Citation needed]

    Hello, my name is aristarchus, and I am a self-respecting greek. What is your name?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @04:45PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @04:45PM (#500785)

      Hello, my name is aristarchus, and I am a self-respecting greek. What is your name?

      I'm a geek and I'm not telling you.

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday April 27 2017, @05:37PM (6 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 27 2017, @05:37PM (#500811) Journal

      Hello, my name is aristarchus, and I am a self-respecting greek. What is your name?

      Hi, I'm c0lo, a self-respecting geek, nice to meet you again.
      What shall we be cooperating on today?

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
      • (Score: 3, Funny) by aristarchus on Thursday April 27 2017, @06:06PM (5 children)

        by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday April 27 2017, @06:06PM (#500818) Journal

        Well, I suggest we start off by agreeing to lie to a bunch of social scientists about how much our knowing each other's name makes us want to cooperate! This could be the beginning of a wonderful relationship, Louis.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Thursday April 27 2017, @10:10PM (4 children)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 27 2017, @10:10PM (#500899) Journal

          Well, I suggest we start off by agreeing to lie...
          This could be the beginning of a wonderful relationship, Louis.

          (Gee, but it's good to be the king)
          Your fantasy is my reality

          --
          https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
          • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:00PM (3 children)

            by aristarchus (2645) on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:00PM (#500925) Journal

            Play it again, Sam! Casablanca! Maybe this "name" thing is not all it's cracked up to be. But we will always have Paris.

            • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:31PM (1 child)

              by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:31PM (#500939) Journal

              [plays it again]

              Wait, I'm not Sam. Oh, and Bogey actually just said "Play it," though "Play it, Sam..." was uttered in the movie too.

              Come on, Aristarchus, you must remember this....

              By the way, my name is Athanasius, and I'm a recovering 17th-century Jesuit. What part of the 12-step plan is "cooperation" again?

              • (Score: 2) by aristarchus on Friday April 28 2017, @12:27AM

                by aristarchus (2645) on Friday April 28 2017, @12:27AM (#500972) Journal

                "A sigh is just a sigh,
                The fundamental things apply"

                "Cooperation" is that part where you have to apologize to all those you have harmed while you were logged in as AC. The first step is to realize you are anonymous, and you have a problem.

            • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Friday April 28 2017, @02:11AM

              by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Friday April 28 2017, @02:11AM (#501008) Journal

              Play it again, Sam! Casablanca!

              I'm lying (or laying) in another movie - more "worldly historical" in nature, larger cultural horizons.
              It was you who advanced the "let's lie" proposition, I'm merely (and merrily) cooperating with you.

              ---

              But we will always have Paris.

              Righto. Here's an answer from the other movie:

              Oh, a bullshit artist! Did you bullshit last week?
                ...
              Did you try to bullshit last week?

              (do you need a spoiler?)

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              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28 2017, @12:43AM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28 2017, @12:43AM (#500978)

      Fuck you. My name was not aristarchus so if we had exchanged names you wouldn't be calling yourself that. You're clearly uncooperative.