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posted by on Thursday April 27 2017, @06:38PM   Printer-friendly
from the poking-the-madman-up-north dept.

U.S. Begins Installing Missile Defense System in South Korea

The U.S. has begun the installation of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense missiles system:

The US military has started installing a controversial missile defence system at a site in South Korea, amid high tensions over neighbouring North Korea's nuclear and missile ambitions. The Thaad system is designed to protect against threats from North Korea.

Hundreds of local residents protested against the deployment, as vehicles carrying equipment arrived at the site in the south of the country. China argues Thaad will destabilise security in the region. The US has in recent days deployed warships and a submarine to the Korean peninsula, amid fears North Korea could be planning further missile or nuclear tests.

Admiral Harry Harris said that the THAAD system would bring Kim Jong-un "to his senses, not to his knees".

FireEye recently claimed that China is attempting to hack South Korean targets to delay the deployment of THAAD.

U.S. Moves Anti-Missile Kit to S. Korea

Reuters reports that the United States has transported components of the THAAD anti-missile system to the site chosen for it in South Korea, amid protests:

[...] and was denounced by the frontrunner in South Korea's presidential election on May 9.

A spokesman for Moon Jae-in said the decision "ignored public opinion and due process" and demanded the deployment be suspended until the next administration was in place and had made its policy decision.

China has expressed opposition to deployment of the system. AFP via Yahoo! reports that:

The South's tourist industry has been hammered by Beijing's boycott over THAAD, with Chinese visitor numbers -- normally more than half the total -- plummeting 40 percent last month even though the ban only came into force on March 15.

Retail conglomerate Lotte -- which provided the Seongju golf course site to the Seoul government -- has also been targeted, with 85 of its 99 stores in China shut down.

Additional coverage:

Previous stories:
International Relations Strained over S. Korean Anti-missile Plans
G20 Summit Roundup
South Korea to Receive U.S. Anti-Missile Interceptor System


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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @06:58PM (27 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @06:58PM (#500842)

    Is how you treat your allies. You come to their aid when they have a crazy fat kid on their borders threatening the entire free world.

    You dont go and threaten to take their land and call them terrorists, like O did to Israel.

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  • (Score: 3, Disagree) by Lagg on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:13PM (24 children)

    by Lagg (105) on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:13PM (#500846) Homepage Journal

    o geez first post AC. Come on nao

    Trump is probably going to end up taking american's private land by imminent domain to build a useless wall.

    Obama expanded spying in terribly wrong ways, made drone warfare a normal thing, built the framework Trump is now happily using.

    Clinton was probably going to keep the status quo going but scale it up.

    Sanders is a whore of whores. The friendliest protester in Washington.

    Stein is a cool kid. Spraypainting bulldozers and then promptly reinforcing the status quo.

    Meanwhile there was some truly epic political maneuvering used in related and connected ways to the above to stop a vote recount in at least one occasion. But nah. Trump's cool. he b launchin them moabs :flag: :raisedhands: :flag: :flag: :flag: :flag:

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    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:34PM (5 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:34PM (#500849)

      This was a targeted statement about a single action. ( and was related to a single action by the previous president ). Nothing more, nothing less. Get over yourself. Get your head out of your ass and look out side the tiny little box of hate that you have created.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:39PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:39PM (#500850)

        I'm so happy in the hate box.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:46PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:46PM (#500874)

          Here you go [pbfcomics.com].

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:56PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:56PM (#500895)

            I hate blowjobs.

      • (Score: 2) by Lagg on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:41PM

        by Lagg (105) on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:41PM (#500853) Homepage Journal

        Oh, sorry. I forgot missiles & shit were the height of love and peace. Forgive mah black heart. Though your weird correlation is still hilarious to me so I'm allowed to make retarded statements too. How about we both get over ourselves hm? :D

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:10PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:10PM (#500862)

        Dude, you need more elegance than this if you're trying to emulate TMB.

        Protip: limit your reply to one sentence, possibly two, and never use cuss words.

        This is strangely infuriating to many people.

    • (Score: 5, Interesting) by edIII on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:51PM (12 children)

      by edIII (791) on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:51PM (#500855)

      Perhaps offtopic, but the act of seizing land using eminent domain to build a wall is not an easy one. At all.

      John McCain could have informed Trump about this, if Trump could ever act better than an emotional belligerent 5 year old that desperately needs nappy-nappy time.

      There is a huge problem right now in how we respect the treaties with Native American Indians and their land. Which is SOVERIGN. That's very important because if we show we can't be trusted in our own lands, with people we made agreements with, then we have severely damaged our ability to negotiate treaties with others.

      DAPL is flat out illegal. Under no circumstances can we run that pipeline across their sovereign domain. It's a treaty violation that has gone all the way to the United Nations and makes us look like evil avaricious anti-environmental fuckers.

      Along the U.S border in the Southwest exists sovereign territory belonging to Native American Indians. John McCain can tell us just how hard it is to get anything totalitarian done on those lands. They refuse and will never a let a wall be built on their lands. It's a battle that will be fought soon. In John McCain's own assessment, we can't force them because of those agreements granting them sovereignty. One of the few times I can give that man respect. He's ranted against them and how difficult it is to improve the border security with them, but he ultimately respects their sovereignty.

      Unless Trump wants to start a war with the Native American Indians on a mass protest front sure to rival DAPL, he is going to back down and not have the wall for about 70 miles at least. Either that, or the wall will need to come into our borders and surround that territory from the *inside*.

      Making Mexico pay for the damn thing is the least of the hurdles Trump has to face. Eminent domain cannot be applied to sovereign territory.

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      • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:06PM (5 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:06PM (#500859)

        Build the wall to the north. Build it across the land, via payment or war or whatever. Build the wall to the south, making Mexico pay via a chunk of land. (and heck, take all watersheds that span the border)

        Whatever! Just build the wall or, better, build several fences and a minefield.

        Democrats claim the wall won't work, just like tobacco companies claimed that Australia's packaging requirements wouldn't work. They doth protest too much: it's obvious that they know it to be a cost-effective solution, and this is what they oppose.

        • (Score: 4, Insightful) by edIII on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:21PM

          by edIII (791) on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:21PM (#500868)

          So, in other words, overreact like psychotic dickheads to our neighbors because of a threat thousands of miles away across a huge ocean? We should act warlike, abuse our neighbors, engage in theft and war to obtain land, to achieve peace?

          Trump? Are you on SoylentNews!?

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        • (Score: 2, Interesting) by fyngyrz on Thursday April 27 2017, @10:08PM (2 children)

          by fyngyrz (6567) on Thursday April 27 2017, @10:08PM (#500898) Journal

          it's obvious that they know [Trump's wall] to be a cost-effective solution

          As near as I have been able to figure out – and I have honestly tried to – Trump's wall represents an approximately twenty-one billion dollar initial expense (plus more for maintenance and monitoring, of course), where the net effect of said expenditures will be to make our vegetables, nannies, and lawn care considerably more expensive.

          It won't affect the volume of recreational drugs at all, though I have no doubt at all it will make them at least slightly more profitable to produce within our own borders in states that actually border Mexico. A great deal of the "solutions" Trump and Sessions have suggested are barely-disguised pumping assists for the money-for-war-on-informed-personal-choice the government conducts against its own citizens. This is no exception.

          • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday April 27 2017, @10:13PM (1 child)

            by takyon (881) <reversethis-{gro ... s} {ta} {noykat}> on Thursday April 27 2017, @10:13PM (#500901) Journal

            though I have no doubt at all it will make them at least slightly more profitable to produce within our own borders in states that actually border Mexico

            Economic stimulus! Bring (drug) manufacturing back to America! MAGA!

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        • (Score: 1) by Roger Murdock on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:49PM

          by Roger Murdock (4897) on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:49PM (#500951)

          just like tobacco companies claimed that Australia's packaging requirements wouldn't work.

          Well there's the solution, just build a series of billboards along the border with pictures of homeless people and invoices for medical services

      • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:05PM (3 children)

        by bob_super (1357) on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:05PM (#500879)

        I saw an amusing segment last year, in which a journalist went to the Texas border to look at the effect of the previous fence (R voted during Bush/Obama).

        Because you can't build a fence in the river footprint, they had to build it north of some ranches, and even a golf course, putting Americans on the wrong side of the border fence designed to protect them from the Evil Mexicans...
        Trump's wall won't be any different, unless they want to rebuild it after every minor flood (while violating more international agreements).

        • (Score: 2) by edIII on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:34PM (2 children)

          by edIII (791) on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:34PM (#500889)

          That's why I don't understand the wall. Having advocated for it in the past, I just can't understand why ignorant wall supporters are unable to assimilate new data.

          You just pointed out a severe engineering flaw that would require renegotiation of our borders just to create an effective one. All of those people living on the border would need to be removed with eminent domain. Add to it the environmental analysis, which is bleak, and a physical wall is simply precluded. Yet, they persist.

          Why are they so fucking stupid? You could plant a sensor grid network along the whole border, including Canada, and get a more effective and secure barrier. If they need to a get an erection to get onboard, why doesn't the U.S border patrol being increased by several times with new equipment to get them to where they need faster, give them that warrior stiffy they so desire?

          They've gone full retard.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28 2017, @03:33AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28 2017, @03:33AM (#501022)

            If they need to a get an erection to get onboard, why doesn't the U.S border patrol being increased by several times with new equipment to get them to where they need faster, give them that warrior stiffy they so desire?

            They saw China's... wall... in the locker room.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28 2017, @04:14AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28 2017, @04:14AM (#501025)

            No, not full retard. It is a MASSIVE pork project and it was an easy sell. It is 100% about corruption and crony capitalism.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:25PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:25PM (#500934)

        Well, you know the old expression: If it looks like an evil avaricious anti-environmental fucker, and it acts like an evil avaricious anti-environmental fucker ...

      • (Score: 1) by evil_aaronm on Friday April 28 2017, @04:51PM

        by evil_aaronm (5747) on Friday April 28 2017, @04:51PM (#501222)

        You might tell that to the Senecas who lost out a) to the Kinzua Dam, and b) to I-86 and I-90, both of which cross their land. I'm familiar with both because my wife's family was one of those kicked out of their own house by the Dam, and New York perpetually seems to think that failing to maintain the sections of I-86 and I-90 that cross the reservation are somehow hurting the Natives, rather than every other traveler that uses it.

    • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:15PM (4 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:15PM (#500864)

      For a "useless" wall, there sure is a lot of complaining. Why care so much? Considering the country, both the amount of the land and the worst-case cost of the wall are trivial. Mere "billions" are pocket change to a country with many trillions. California alone spends more than the worst-case wall cost EVERY YEAR on helping illegals. We could make California pay, and it would save them money.

      You real fear is obvious: you know the wall will work. You want to dilute American culture until it ceases to exist. This is white guilt, English-language guilt, and generally some sort of American guilt. It is self-hatred. The result of bringing in 3rd-world people is a 3rd-world country and you know it: a country is a people, not mere land and laws.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:58PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:58PM (#500876)

        If you think we need that wall so badly, why don't you head to the border and start building it yourself?

        It's so easy for you conservatives to spend other people's money, isn't it?

      • (Score: 2) by julian on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:07PM (1 child)

        by julian (6003) Subscriber Badge on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:07PM (#500880)

        A giant statue of a middle finger facing Mexico made out of $20B worth of gold would satisfy your hate-boner just as much as a wall, and would be equally effective stopping immigration.

        The wall is a talisman of racial animus. At least the gold middle finger statue wouldn't be devastating to the environment.

        • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Friday April 28 2017, @10:28AM

          by deimtee (3272) on Friday April 28 2017, @10:28AM (#501100) Journal

          At current prices that is 492 tonnes of gold. Do you know how devastating to the environment that much gold mining would be? You would be better off building a wall.

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      • (Score: 4, Interesting) by edIII on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:09PM

        by edIII (791) on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:09PM (#500882)

        It's not going to work you bigoted racist White Nationalist fuckwads!

        For the record, I've been proposing an actual goddamn fucking wall for 20 FUCKING YEARS now. Yep, well before Trump, and not entirely in response to immigration.

        The key difference between my "wall" and Trump's? It was accompanied by serious immigration reform, amnesty, and much harsher punishments for getting into the country illegally including actual prison time for any American knowingly employing an illegal alien. Those employers will suck dick in prison under my "wall".

        I also ditched the quotas, and went to a vetting system where we could choose the people we let into the country based upon the likelihood of them succeeding without subsidization. Amnesty and refugee requests would be treated differently, but those groups of people would be held in special areas to assist them with assimilation. Not destroying their culture, but helping them assimilate to our melting-pot culture where we have a common foundation. Meaning, don't cut your daughter's clitoris off, etc. Although, I'm loathe to let those people into the country in the first place, at all. For that reason; They don't assimilate well. Overall, that only represents a very small portion of the people visiting our country and should not be used as a reason against most of the people seeking to come here. They're decent folk that can contribute our country greatly with their own cultures. Especially the food. Bring your food.

        The wall will not work. Why? You fucking morons!!!!!!! You White Nationalists need a training video [youtu.be]. Obviously, the White Nationalist's part is played by the incomparable Wile E. Coyote (Super Genius), and the big bad terrorists and undesirable brown people are played by devilishly humorous Bugs Bunny. Now, take a moment for nappy nappy time, wait for me to get the orange slices ready, and watch the video. Notice anything?

        My wall exists in 9 different directions:

        - Mexico
        - Canada
        - Pacific Ocean
        - Atlantic Ocean
        - Earth's Crust
        - Atmospheric
        - Space
        - Cyberspace
        - Transportation Ports (Ships and Airplanes)

        If we are serious about creating a damn border worth two shits, then it must address all 9 directions at the same time in a cohesive manner. The wall can no longer be physical without serious ecological damage to both the U.S, Canada, and Mexico. Humans are worthless pieces of violent aggressive shit, but coyotes, hawks, mountain lions, owls, rabbits, insects, etc. are not. We can't make it a literal wall without hurting them, and no, we are not separate from nature. To hurt nature, is to hurt ourselves.

        Good news is that there exists plenty of technology to do it without an actual wall!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Holy shit!!!

        SENSOR GRIDS

        Anything not approaching an approved egress or entry point is treated as an enemy of the United States and military forces are dispatched instantly. It's just a matter of response times, but again, we have technology for that.

        Mexico/Canada - Drones can be ubiquitous and armed. There exists hover drones capable of 13,000 ft elevation, hundreds of miles per hour of speed, and carrying capacity for two well armed troops or snipers. This is should be applied to ALL borders. I love Canadians, but they will not an exception to the border. Except that one town where the border literally goes through the library. That is going to be one specially protected egress/entry point :)

        Atlantic Ocean/Pacific Ocean - The coasts can be protected by the Coast Guard. What a convenient name :) Increase their budget and give them special drones for both air and water.

        Transportation Ports (Ships and Airplanes) - Our ports need be drastically upgraded to give us the kind of performance we need, but also the ability to inspect EVERYTHING that comes in. Create 50,000 new jobs if you need to, but stop having piss poor security at our ports. That includes ALL international flight terminals and any terminals created solely for business needs.

        Earth's Crust - Can be monitored seismically, or with whatever toys DARPA has come up with. All of those tunnels along the border will be stopped. Especially, if the U.S military drops a M.O.P (deeper cousin of the M.O.A.B) onto one them when it detects underground movement :)

        Atmospheric/Space - The. U.S Space Command is currently responsible for space and can handle atmospheric too. Increase their budgets and capacity and task them with the protection of our borders in space. Same deal. All incursions are treated as a military matter unless announced, authorized, and tracked by U.S Space Command.

        Cyberspace - This one needs a hell of lot more development, and I sincerely doubt we have the ability to protect ourselves very well for at least another 10 years. The NSA did quite a number to make us weak, and there is serious pushback from the government and corporations to prevent the kind of security environment we desperately need.

        See you stupid fuckers? Your little physical wall, mostly designed to pad the coffers of the Owning Classes (including Trump) is just an expensive pork barrel project that delivers little, if anything, in tangible security gains. It's the very definition of Security Theater.

        Continue to act like the sole protectors of the U.S, and White Nationalist culture, but don't try to sell us that bridge your building with your hate, ignorance, and fear. Trump's wall has no hope of working, and nobody is actually interested in creating an effective U.S border, since we all want to argue the White Nationalist rhetoric which is mostly about hating brown and black people with a goal of removing them from the country. That and white liberals/progressives/hippies too :)

        Derp! Build a wall! Derp! You know it will Work! Derp!

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  • (Score: 5, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:22PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:22PM (#500869)

    when they have a crazy fat kid on their border threatening the entire free world

    That's what Mexico is also thinking.

    • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday April 28 2017, @01:55AM

      by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday April 28 2017, @01:55AM (#501000) Journal

      Also what Canada is thinking about their border with Upper Mexico.

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