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posted by on Thursday April 27 2017, @06:38PM   Printer-friendly
from the poking-the-madman-up-north dept.

U.S. Begins Installing Missile Defense System in South Korea

The U.S. has begun the installation of the Terminal High Altitude Area Defense missiles system:

The US military has started installing a controversial missile defence system at a site in South Korea, amid high tensions over neighbouring North Korea's nuclear and missile ambitions. The Thaad system is designed to protect against threats from North Korea.

Hundreds of local residents protested against the deployment, as vehicles carrying equipment arrived at the site in the south of the country. China argues Thaad will destabilise security in the region. The US has in recent days deployed warships and a submarine to the Korean peninsula, amid fears North Korea could be planning further missile or nuclear tests.

Admiral Harry Harris said that the THAAD system would bring Kim Jong-un "to his senses, not to his knees".

FireEye recently claimed that China is attempting to hack South Korean targets to delay the deployment of THAAD.

U.S. Moves Anti-Missile Kit to S. Korea

Reuters reports that the United States has transported components of the THAAD anti-missile system to the site chosen for it in South Korea, amid protests:

[...] and was denounced by the frontrunner in South Korea's presidential election on May 9.

A spokesman for Moon Jae-in said the decision "ignored public opinion and due process" and demanded the deployment be suspended until the next administration was in place and had made its policy decision.

China has expressed opposition to deployment of the system. AFP via Yahoo! reports that:

The South's tourist industry has been hammered by Beijing's boycott over THAAD, with Chinese visitor numbers -- normally more than half the total -- plummeting 40 percent last month even though the ban only came into force on March 15.

Retail conglomerate Lotte -- which provided the Seongju golf course site to the Seoul government -- has also been targeted, with 85 of its 99 stores in China shut down.

Additional coverage:

Previous stories:
International Relations Strained over S. Korean Anti-missile Plans
G20 Summit Roundup
South Korea to Receive U.S. Anti-Missile Interceptor System


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  • (Score: 5, Interesting) by edIII on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:51PM (12 children)

    by edIII (791) on Thursday April 27 2017, @07:51PM (#500855)

    Perhaps offtopic, but the act of seizing land using eminent domain to build a wall is not an easy one. At all.

    John McCain could have informed Trump about this, if Trump could ever act better than an emotional belligerent 5 year old that desperately needs nappy-nappy time.

    There is a huge problem right now in how we respect the treaties with Native American Indians and their land. Which is SOVERIGN. That's very important because if we show we can't be trusted in our own lands, with people we made agreements with, then we have severely damaged our ability to negotiate treaties with others.

    DAPL is flat out illegal. Under no circumstances can we run that pipeline across their sovereign domain. It's a treaty violation that has gone all the way to the United Nations and makes us look like evil avaricious anti-environmental fuckers.

    Along the U.S border in the Southwest exists sovereign territory belonging to Native American Indians. John McCain can tell us just how hard it is to get anything totalitarian done on those lands. They refuse and will never a let a wall be built on their lands. It's a battle that will be fought soon. In John McCain's own assessment, we can't force them because of those agreements granting them sovereignty. One of the few times I can give that man respect. He's ranted against them and how difficult it is to improve the border security with them, but he ultimately respects their sovereignty.

    Unless Trump wants to start a war with the Native American Indians on a mass protest front sure to rival DAPL, he is going to back down and not have the wall for about 70 miles at least. Either that, or the wall will need to come into our borders and surround that territory from the *inside*.

    Making Mexico pay for the damn thing is the least of the hurdles Trump has to face. Eminent domain cannot be applied to sovereign territory.

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  • (Score: 0, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:06PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:06PM (#500859)

    Build the wall to the north. Build it across the land, via payment or war or whatever. Build the wall to the south, making Mexico pay via a chunk of land. (and heck, take all watersheds that span the border)

    Whatever! Just build the wall or, better, build several fences and a minefield.

    Democrats claim the wall won't work, just like tobacco companies claimed that Australia's packaging requirements wouldn't work. They doth protest too much: it's obvious that they know it to be a cost-effective solution, and this is what they oppose.

    • (Score: 4, Insightful) by edIII on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:21PM

      by edIII (791) on Thursday April 27 2017, @08:21PM (#500868)

      So, in other words, overreact like psychotic dickheads to our neighbors because of a threat thousands of miles away across a huge ocean? We should act warlike, abuse our neighbors, engage in theft and war to obtain land, to achieve peace?

      Trump? Are you on SoylentNews!?

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    • (Score: 2, Interesting) by fyngyrz on Thursday April 27 2017, @10:08PM (2 children)

      by fyngyrz (6567) on Thursday April 27 2017, @10:08PM (#500898) Journal

      it's obvious that they know [Trump's wall] to be a cost-effective solution

      As near as I have been able to figure out – and I have honestly tried to – Trump's wall represents an approximately twenty-one billion dollar initial expense (plus more for maintenance and monitoring, of course), where the net effect of said expenditures will be to make our vegetables, nannies, and lawn care considerably more expensive.

      It won't affect the volume of recreational drugs at all, though I have no doubt at all it will make them at least slightly more profitable to produce within our own borders in states that actually border Mexico. A great deal of the "solutions" Trump and Sessions have suggested are barely-disguised pumping assists for the money-for-war-on-informed-personal-choice the government conducts against its own citizens. This is no exception.

      • (Score: 2) by takyon on Thursday April 27 2017, @10:13PM (1 child)

        by takyon (881) <takyonNO@SPAMsoylentnews.org> on Thursday April 27 2017, @10:13PM (#500901) Journal

        though I have no doubt at all it will make them at least slightly more profitable to produce within our own borders in states that actually border Mexico

        Economic stimulus! Bring (drug) manufacturing back to America! MAGA!

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    • (Score: 1) by Roger Murdock on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:49PM

      by Roger Murdock (4897) on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:49PM (#500951)

      just like tobacco companies claimed that Australia's packaging requirements wouldn't work.

      Well there's the solution, just build a series of billboards along the border with pictures of homeless people and invoices for medical services

  • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:05PM (3 children)

    by bob_super (1357) on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:05PM (#500879)

    I saw an amusing segment last year, in which a journalist went to the Texas border to look at the effect of the previous fence (R voted during Bush/Obama).

    Because you can't build a fence in the river footprint, they had to build it north of some ranches, and even a golf course, putting Americans on the wrong side of the border fence designed to protect them from the Evil Mexicans...
    Trump's wall won't be any different, unless they want to rebuild it after every minor flood (while violating more international agreements).

    • (Score: 2) by edIII on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:34PM (2 children)

      by edIII (791) on Thursday April 27 2017, @09:34PM (#500889)

      That's why I don't understand the wall. Having advocated for it in the past, I just can't understand why ignorant wall supporters are unable to assimilate new data.

      You just pointed out a severe engineering flaw that would require renegotiation of our borders just to create an effective one. All of those people living on the border would need to be removed with eminent domain. Add to it the environmental analysis, which is bleak, and a physical wall is simply precluded. Yet, they persist.

      Why are they so fucking stupid? You could plant a sensor grid network along the whole border, including Canada, and get a more effective and secure barrier. If they need to a get an erection to get onboard, why doesn't the U.S border patrol being increased by several times with new equipment to get them to where they need faster, give them that warrior stiffy they so desire?

      They've gone full retard.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28 2017, @03:33AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28 2017, @03:33AM (#501022)

        If they need to a get an erection to get onboard, why doesn't the U.S border patrol being increased by several times with new equipment to get them to where they need faster, give them that warrior stiffy they so desire?

        They saw China's... wall... in the locker room.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28 2017, @04:14AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday April 28 2017, @04:14AM (#501025)

        No, not full retard. It is a MASSIVE pork project and it was an easy sell. It is 100% about corruption and crony capitalism.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:25PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday April 27 2017, @11:25PM (#500934)

    Well, you know the old expression: If it looks like an evil avaricious anti-environmental fucker, and it acts like an evil avaricious anti-environmental fucker ...

  • (Score: 1) by evil_aaronm on Friday April 28 2017, @04:51PM

    by evil_aaronm (5747) on Friday April 28 2017, @04:51PM (#501222)

    You might tell that to the Senecas who lost out a) to the Kinzua Dam, and b) to I-86 and I-90, both of which cross their land. I'm familiar with both because my wife's family was one of those kicked out of their own house by the Dam, and New York perpetually seems to think that failing to maintain the sections of I-86 and I-90 that cross the reservation are somehow hurting the Natives, rather than every other traveler that uses it.