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posted by Fnord666 on Saturday April 29 2017, @05:28AM   Printer-friendly
from the where-to-draw-the-line dept.

Officials in Xinjiang will deny benefits to children with certain Islamic or Islam-related names:

Many couples fret over choosing the perfect name for their newborn, but for Muslims in western China that decision has now become even more fraught: pick the wrong name and your child will be denied education and government benefits.

Officials in the western region of Xinjiang, home to roughly half of China's 23 million Muslims, have released a list of banned baby names amid an ongoing crackdown on religion, according to a report by US-funded Radio Free Asia.

Names such as Islam, Quran, Saddam and Mecca, as well as references to the star and crescent moon symbol, are all unacceptable to the ruling Communist party and children with those names will be denied household registration, a crucial document that grants access to social services, healthcare and education.

Muhammad, Jihad, Medina, Mujahid, Arafat, Imam, Hajj, and Yultuzay are also banned.

Also at NYT. Reuters story about other restrictions that went into effect on April 1st.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:12PM (17 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:12PM (#501653)

    Certainly it is contrary to the idea (or value?) that anyone should be able to choose or have any religion they want and not suffer discrimination because of it.

    Islam is not a religion. It is a societal and political system that literally calls for world-wide war by any means necessary, with the goal of conquering the whole world.

    Forbidding people from remaining in your country who have pledged allegiance to a system which literally calls for war against you is usually referred to as "common sense". The usual alternative is killing them before they have a chance to kill you.

  • (Score: 2) by BK on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:30PM (2 children)

    by BK (4868) on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:30PM (#501655)

    So how would I tell a "religion" from a "societal and political system"?

    --
    ...but you HAVE heard of me.
    • (Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:58PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @09:58PM (#501685)

      So how would I tell a "religion" from a "societal and political system"?

      Good question. How would you?

    • (Score: 2) by Reziac on Sunday April 30 2017, @03:34AM

      by Reziac (2489) on Sunday April 30 2017, @03:34AM (#501779) Homepage

      A religion doesn't routinely kill those who leave it. A totalitarian political system, OTOH...

      --
      And there is no Alkibiades to come back and save us from ourselves.
  • (Score: 1, Touché) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:35PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @08:35PM (#501659)

    Islam is not a religion. It is a societal and political system that literally calls for world-wide war by any means necessary, with the goal of conquering the whole world.

    Hey, look! It's Former NSC head, Former Gen. Michael Flynn posting right here on SoylentNews!! Wait, did the Russkies pay him for this?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:02PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:02PM (#501686)

      Hey, look! It's Former NSC head, Former Gen. Michael Flynn posting right here on SoylentNews!! Wait, did the Russkies pay him for this?

      No, I'm doing this on my own time.

  • (Score: 2) by Wootery on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:18PM (11 children)

    by Wootery (2341) on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:18PM (#501691)

    Well Islam certainly is a religion. You sound quite silly trying to deny this.

    In some of its forms, yes, it also forms an (invariably awful) system of government. But, happily, liberal Islam does exist.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:26PM (10 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:26PM (#501695)

      liberal Islam does exist

      The only objective statement you made is wrong. If a person doesn't model their behavior after Mohammed's, they are not following Islam and thus not Muslim. This is why there are so many Muslims murdering "other Muslims".

      Feel free to educate yourself on what Islam is, using Islam's own books. One excellent and well-sourced English resource for this is at prophetofdoom.net

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:51PM (9 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @10:51PM (#501704)

        One excellent and well-sourced English resource for this is at prophetofdoom.net

        Silly fundie Christian! No wonder you are such an idiot, if you rely on other idiots so you can all share your idiocy together! This sounds like the "Song of Roland", where the ignorant and idiotic Franks think Muslims worship Apollo!! There is only one thing a person has to be to be a Muslim. One thing. All the rest is cultural, or fearmongering Franks.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:22PM (8 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:22PM (#501713)

          Apologies if I'll instead take the word of Islam's source books and indepth analysis of the same over a childish anonymous poster who slings insults as a stand-in for an actual argument.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:47PM (7 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Saturday April 29 2017, @11:47PM (#501725)

            > indepth analysis

            An indepth analysis by people with an axe to grind is no analysis at all, its just a polemic.

            Maybe you should ask the people who live their religion.
            Or if you can't because you don't actually know any muslims, which is a given for people like you, then watch a movie like The Taqwacores. [youtube.com]
            Or, since you are certainly too lazy to spend 80 minutes actually learning about islam from people who don't agree with your bigotry, at least spend 80 seconds and watch the trailer. [youtube.com]

            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:00AM (6 children)

              by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:00AM (#501792)

              When you ask the average person their opinion on a given subject, you are subject to Sturgeon's Law [wikipedia.org]. Any serious analysis of a topic will rely on primary source materials, just as the author of Prophet of Doom did.

              since you are certainly too lazy to spend 80 minutes actually learning about islam

              Laughable when the single source I recommended (there are several more I have studied to choose from) is a book with over nine hundred pages of indepth investigation into Islam from its own source code: the Quran, Hadith, and Sura. The modern equivalent you're proposing is saying that you know some Nazis, and despite their roots, the Nazis you know really aren't all that interested in national socialism, racial purity, horrific medical experiments on unwilling victims, or murdering "undesirables".

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @09:59AM (5 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @09:59AM (#501814)

                When this evidence is evaluated systematically, the only rational conclusion is that Islam's lone prophet critic and author of The Prophet of Doom is a ruthless terrorist, a mass-murderer, a thief, slave trader, rapist and Republican.

                FTFY.

                Has a ring, though, we might even consider this Islamophobic AC as "The AC of Doom!" Part of the Marvel Universe? Or Trump's brain trust, like Flynn?

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @10:56AM (4 children)

                  by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @10:56AM (#501821)

                  When this evidence is evaluated systematically, the only rational conclusion is that Islam's lone prophet critic and author of The Prophet of Doom is a ruthless terrorist, a mass-murderer, a thief, slave trader, rapist and Republican.

                  I see you like to resort to outright blatant lies and projection. I assume you're being paid to post such transparent tripe? [theintercept.com] Otherwise, I look forward to your evidence that the author of Prophet of Doom is a mass-murderer, let alone a slaver, rapist, terrorist, or thief. Note that all these accusations you just made still perfectly apply to Mohummad.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @11:20AM (3 children)

                    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @11:20AM (#501823)

                    > I assume you're being paid to post such transparent tripe?

                    Lol. And that is everything anyone needs to know about your grip on reality.
                    As if anyone would pay someone to fuck around with an AC on a website nobody has heard of regarding some fringe nutjob protocols-of-the-elders-of-zion level bullshit.
                    Your delusions of grandeur would be hilarious if what they revealed about you weren't so sad.

                    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @11:50AM (2 children)

                      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @11:50AM (#501827)

                      Lol.

                      So... you ARE a paid disinfo troll [theintercept.com]? =)

                      If we treat you like Pravda and invert the meaning of everything you say, will we be closer to truth? Truth such as: Islam is an unreformable (i.e. "perfect") violent ideology bent on a literal world war of conquest?

                      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:28PM (1 child)

                        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @05:28PM (#501917)

                        Yes I am being paid by the CIA to brainwash you.
                        And they are only paying me 10 cents a day because your brain is so small that it takes no work at all.

                        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01 2017, @12:10AM

                          by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01 2017, @12:10AM (#502061)

                          So, taking the Pravda approach with a known liar [soylentnews.org] leaves me with: the CIA is not paying you, but whoever is is handing you a significant sum because the targets are deemed significantly threatening [theintercept.com].

                          They should get a refund from you.

                          None of this changes the objective fact that Islam is a fundamentally violent ideology that demands its adherents wage war (both hot and cold, as necessary) around the world, using force or deceit (the latter is considered to be moral particularly when advancing the goals of Islam), and cannot be reformed as Islam's source material refers to itself as "perfect".