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posted by martyb on Sunday April 30 2017, @03:07PM   Printer-friendly
from the we-can-find-no-longer-find-data-against-our-plans dept.

You were warned. Now it begins: The Chicago Tribune reports that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is working on changes to its Web properties:

The EPA's extensive climate change website now redirects to a page that says "this page is being updated" and that "we are currently updating our website to reflect EPA's priorities under the leadership of President Trump and Administrator Pruitt." It also links to a full archive of how the page used to look on Jan. 19, before Trump's inauguration.


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  • (Score: 5, Insightful) by julian on Sunday April 30 2017, @04:06PM (12 children)

    by julian (6003) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 30 2017, @04:06PM (#501889)

    I'd settle for the electorate being accountable to reality.

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  • (Score: 3, Informative) by BK on Sunday April 30 2017, @04:37PM (10 children)

    by BK (4868) on Sunday April 30 2017, @04:37PM (#501903)

    No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time… --Winston Churchill, 11-Nov-1947

    I suppose we need an enlightened dictator to hold the people accountable then?

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    ...but you HAVE heard of me.
    • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @06:49PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @06:49PM (#501948)

      I suppose we need an enlightened dictator to hold the people accountable then?

      Fuck you and your dark enlightenment fascism.

    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Sunday April 30 2017, @07:46PM (1 child)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Sunday April 30 2017, @07:46PM (#501964) Journal

      There is no such thing as an enlightened dictator. If such were possible, s/he would not be a dictator.

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      I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
      • (Score: 3, Informative) by AthanasiusKircher on Sunday April 30 2017, @08:18PM

        by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Sunday April 30 2017, @08:18PM (#501979) Journal

        Maybe not as the word is used today, but that's not the root of the word. The Romans understood the necessity of dictators from time-to-time, and one of the early ones was basically a legendary Roman figure for handling the position appropriately, i.e., giving up his power once the crisis was resolved and returning to his farm [wikipedia.org].

        Unfortunately, later Roman dictators abused the privilege and eventually refused to give up the dictatorship entirely (see the Caesars). Ever since, dictators have gotten a bad name.

    • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday April 30 2017, @08:09PM (3 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 30 2017, @08:09PM (#501976) Journal

      I suppose we need an enlightened dictator to hold the people accountable then?

      You already have one, it's called nature. Not quite a dictator, rather a despot.

      It's enlightened, does not micromanage, you have as much free will as possible.
      Try to break one of its rules see what happens.

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      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @08:51PM (2 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @08:51PM (#501992)

        What happens is some poor brown people die in a far away country. Problem?

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Sunday April 30 2017, @09:00PM (1 child)

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Sunday April 30 2017, @09:00PM (#501997) Journal

          Maybe a human tragedy but definitely not a problem.
          Humans are just one small part of the nature, no matter what they think (of themselves).

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01 2017, @03:12AM

            by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01 2017, @03:12AM (#502111)

            Indeed. It's not like we're burning down/cutting down rainforest faster than any other species in nature. We're not spilling more oil in the ocean than any other. We're not releasing any more carbon monoxide into the atmosphere than any other species either. Totes a small nail in the scheme of things that can be hammered down at any time.

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Monday May 01 2017, @02:39AM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Monday May 01 2017, @02:39AM (#502104) Journal

      Churchill also said that the best argument against democracy is a five minute discussion with the average voter.

      There should be no doubt, this is our battle to lose.

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      La politica e i criminali sono la stessa cosa..
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01 2017, @10:16AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 01 2017, @10:16AM (#502206)

      That was going to be Hillary's job.

    • (Score: 2) by jdavidb on Monday May 01 2017, @01:38PM

      by jdavidb (5690) on Monday May 01 2017, @01:38PM (#502256) Homepage Journal

      I'd settle for the electorate being accountable to reality.

      I suppose we need an enlightened dictator to hold the people accountable then?

      False dichotomy.

      No one pretends that democracy is perfect or all-wise. Indeed it has been said that democracy is the worst form of Government except for all those other forms that have been tried from time to time… --Winston Churchill, 11-Nov-1947

      Winston Churchill never tried voluntaryism/panarchy.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @06:33PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @06:33PM (#501943)

    The electorate is accountable to reality.*

    *Eventually, with collateral damage.