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on Sunday April 30 2017, @03:07PM
from the we-can-find-no-longer-find-data-against-our-plans dept.
from the we-can-find-no-longer-find-data-against-our-plans dept.
You were warned. Now it begins: The Chicago Tribune reports that the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) is working on changes to its Web properties:
The EPA's extensive climate change website now redirects to a page that says "this page is being updated" and that "we are currently updating our website to reflect EPA's priorities under the leadership of President Trump and Administrator Pruitt." It also links to a full archive of how the page used to look on Jan. 19, before Trump's inauguration.
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When I met th'POPE back in '58, I scrubbed him with a MILD SOAP or
DETERGENT for 15 minutes. He seemed to enjoy it ...
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @08:48PM (2 children)
The problem is when what is "self-evident" is stuff that has no empirical evidence. Empirical evidence should be the very definition of self-evident.
Trickle down economics
Invisible hand solutions
Pull self up by bootstraps approach to welfare/healthcare
Temperatures not increasing due to CO2
More guns don't result in more unnecessary deaths
The only thing self-evident about these is that they lead to certain rich people getting more money.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Sunday April 30 2017, @11:41PM
Complex models man, complex models that show man is irrevocably responsible for the end of days. It is done by scientists with conclusions drawn subjectively by scientists, so it is science.
I have a weird mad hat conspiracy theory that all these are done by creationists and religious nut cakes to discredit science. After all the best way to beat something is to join in and discredit it from within while having the perfect cover to push your agendas. Just like the mafia/mob's approach to beat the police is to join their ranks
(Score: 1) by piss_drinker on Monday May 01 2017, @05:07PM
The problem is when what is "self-evident" is stuff that has no empirical evidence. Empirical evidence should be the very definition of self-evident.
That is the beginning of a long conversation. But I agree that it is a problem. The issue with theory (logic) is that it hardly ever comes in a distilled package. But empirical evidence is always examined with logic. Not all logic is equal. So it seems that supposing our own logic as empirical might be the problem. But thats more of a problem for you and me. Fortunately we often realize that it can be a problem, which is why we are so good at pointing it out in others. A really interesting problem is not even questioning whats empirical, with whatever logic one does have. Just basing rational on emotions that hang from a sleeve and the pattern of thought that places you in a comfortable social group. Which is almost a contradiction since no one in the groups are actually open or social. They are just repeaters of clique validation to continually build the pleasant foundations fantasy cohesion. Thats why its the American "Dream". The real thing requires too much personal responsibility on the part of ever single moving body. And the very thought that this could happen causes the masters of illusion to break into a sweat of terror. Thats why we call it terrorism. So they pour on the ever relieving elixirs of opinions, well designed and orchestrated toward pride and conflict. Then the people sleep well at night (and during the day) again, enjoying freedom and liberty from self governing. We don't have to think it out. We are smart enough to agree with leaders that have nothing but the patriotism of governing us in mind. We may get the government that we deserve. But history seems to show that when the people start deserving something other than what they've been programmed for; its often something like the "Red Scare" so that the bad code can be weeded back out again. But then again thats what government is. They are not ever going to allow us voting it out as a whole. But if we all did self govern, our limited perspective of species management might have us preventing things like cancer and war. People might start living well into their 80's, across the board. Which is fine, except that we all have different ideas about what fair division of resources is; against what might be a enormous population of personal governments. Without our culturally designed distractions, me might become efficient managers of our time and self development. All of our social pleasantries may fall through the cracks. We might start stoning people, in the center of town, for being too lazy or reckless. If one of your children gets out of line, you better stone it to death to assure everyone that you aren't going to be a problem. We would at least know that we were the masters of our own destiny. At least until the dirt takes us. Which is about the time some of us realize we were being masterfully governed all along. Governed by some force that nurtures the minds/natures of life to reach for control, like a plant leaning towards the sunlight. Be it nuclear devastation, genocide, or the labor of birth; every degree of societal station witness to the empirical evidence that nature governs everything within in it, by varying mixtures of attraction and repulsion. The division between the two actions a complete illusion. As each attraction is a repulse from, and each repulsions is an attract towards. So no matter if the observation is within the illusion or unified without it, the law is irrevocably fair. This since each return is always a whole with each investment. The two were always one thing. Being forcefully naive about the unseen investments and returns that are responsible for each persons available investments, and the paired returns, is no excuses deserving of grace. But I don't mind owning it, with a crooked smile on my face and a twinkle in my eye. Behind every joke posing as a responsible system, is a truth that is just as funny. I don't mind taking a real sincere go at it. I never really had anything to lose. Failure and success were both daydreams. But thats a different kind of freedom altogether. One that everything alive was born with, and every con must veil. I could go on like this forever. Fortunately for everyone else, I don't. Today.