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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday May 03 2017, @07:39AM   Printer-friendly
from the so-it's-what-you-know,-not-who dept.

Arthur T Knackerbracket has found the following story:

One of the most striking features of quantum theory is that its predictions are, under virtually all circumstances, probabilistic. If you set up an experiment in a laboratory, and then you use quantum theory to predict the outcomes of various measurements you might perform, the best the theory can offer is probabilities—say, a 50 percent chance that you'll get one outcome, and a 50 percent chance that you'll get a different one. The role the quantum state plays in the theory is to determine, or at least encode, these probabilities. If you know the quantum state, then you can compute the probability of getting any possible outcome to any possible experiment.

But does the quantum state ultimately represent some objective aspect of reality, or is it a way of characterizing something about us, namely, something about what some person knows about reality? This question stretches back to the earliest history of quantum theory, but has recently become an active topic again, inspiring a slew of new theoretical results and even some experimental tests.

If it is just your knowledge that changes, things don't seem so strange.

To see why the quantum state might represent what someone knows, consider another case where we use probabilities. Before your friend rolls a die, you guess what side will face up. If your friend rolls a standard six-sided die, you'd usually say there is about a 17 percent (or one in six) chance that you'll be right, whatever you guess. Here the probability represents something about you: your state of knowledge about the die. Let's say your back is turned while she rolls it, so that she sees the result—a six, say—but not you. As far as you are concerned, the outcome remains uncertain, even though she knows it. Probabilities that represent a person's uncertainty, even though there is some fact of the matter, are called epistemic, from one of the Greek words for knowledge.

This means that you and your friend could assign very different probabilities, without either of you being wrong. You say the probability of the die showing a six is 17 percent, whereas your friend, who has seen the outcome already, says that it is 100 percent. That is because each of you knows different things, and the probabilities are representations of your respective states of knowledge. The only incorrect assignments, in fact, would be ones that said there was no chance at all that the die showed a six.

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  • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 03 2017, @08:33PM (1 child)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 03 2017, @08:33PM (#503925)

    You are the blissful one, my friend, if you think anything deemed a philosophical tome in the last 100 years has come from anyone with a rudimentary training in mathematics. What you've gotten was a handful of physicist popularizers making tenuous and speculative claims on theoretical physics, which get picked up by the likes of Fritjof Capra and bastardized and over-extrapolated into some kind of bullshit New Age crap. Meanwhile all the professors in the Philosophy Departments are struggling to separate themselves from the sociologists because they can't even begin to understand any of the physics of the last 100 years. Once the Special Relativity horse has been beaten to death (because you only have to understand what a square root is), they've all retreated into analysis of pre-20th century philosophers because that is where their "safe places" are.

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  • (Score: 2) by melikamp on Wednesday May 03 2017, @08:53PM

    by melikamp (1886) on Wednesday May 03 2017, @08:53PM (#503935) Journal
    While the field is in a bad shape, it's not quite as bleak as you present. One of the foremost [wikipedia.org] 20th century philosophers (their judgement, not mine) was a mathematician by training. Even Kant, whom I personally can't stand, knew a thing or two about astronomy. My personal encounters with philosophy professors also led me to believe that a sizeable portion of them are very well versed in basic science.