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Guns are not a part of the culture of my homeland, except perhaps for the occasional Bollywood movie in which the bad guy meets his demise staring down the wrong end of a barrel.
My childhood in India was steeped in ahimsa, the tenet of nonviolence toward all living things.
The Indians may have succeeded in ousting the British, but we won with Gandhian-style civil disobedience, not a revolutionary war.
I grew up not knowing a single gun owner, and even today India has one of the strictest gun laws on the planet. Few Indians buy and keep firearms at home, and gun violence is nowhere near the problem it is in the United States. An American is 12 times more likely than an Indian to be killed by a firearm, according to a recent study.
It's no wonder then that every time I visit India, my friends and family want to know more about America's "love affair" with guns.
I get the same questions when I visit my brother in Canada or on my business travels to other countries, where many people remain perplexed, maybe even downright mystified, by Americans' defense of gun rights.
I admit I do not fully understand it myself, despite having become an American citizen nearly a decade ago. So when I learn the National Rifle Association is holding its annual convention here in Atlanta, right next to the CNN Center, I decide to go and find out more.
Source: http://www.cnn.com/2017/04/28/world/indian-immigrant-nra-convention/index.html
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 04 2017, @05:10PM (11 children)
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What lies? Woman wants to know why Americans love guns so much compared to her country. It's a POV article. Can't tell the full name of Gandhi? What the fuck do your opinions have to do with this?
The big reason this article is evoking butthurt is simply because it's from CNN. Some of you babies apparently can't handle that.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Thursday May 04 2017, @05:26PM (10 children)
Huh? I didn't even notice CNN. If you had bothered to go through all the links you would have seen how girls are encouraged to carry guns in rural India. As far as citations are concerned, the only metric government has is how many illegal guns are being confiscated. I linked to that.
Secondly, there were students in my class (6th standard to 8th standard) that used to bring gun into the school. At that age they used to carry it around inside their shirt, showing it to "impress". One guy one day pulled it out on our geography teacher when he asked him some question. Unfortunately media IS biased and it knows that you have least interest in learning about the problems of India much less doing something to solve it. It also knows that a very large number of non-Americans are interested in American politics.
It was meant to show how little she is related to India yet she knows she can parade around her ethnicity for suckers who will believe whatever she says without [citations].
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 04 2017, @05:54PM
In other words: your research and writing abilities are on par with hers. Bravo.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 04 2017, @06:41PM (8 children)
It was meant to show how little she is related to India yet she knows she can parade around her ethnicity for suckers
You don't know her. You are just mad because she spoke against something you are hyper-emotionally invested in.
All you accomplished was to demonstrate that you got so worked up that you thought making unfounded insults against her character would be persuasive.
And it was persuasive. Enough to persuade any critical readers that you should not be taken seriously.
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday May 04 2017, @06:58PM (4 children)
Neither do you. GP was making a wager that the person's viewpoint is inaccurate; you're wagering that it is accurate.
something you are hyper-emotionally invested in.
All you accomplished was to demonstrate that you got so worked up that you thought making unfounded insults
Pot: kettle.
Enough to persuade any critical readers that you should not be taken seriously.
At least he signed his name to his posts.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 04 2017, @07:14PM (3 children)
> GP was making a wager that the person's viewpoint is inaccurate; you're wagering that it is accurate.
Nope. That's you projecting your issues on my criticism of his denial of his insult.
I didn't pretend to make some 3rd party neutral observation that if true would reflect poorly on the OP.
I straight up said he was a wanker.
> At least he signed his name to his posts.
I don't want to be doxed.
Let me show you easy it is:
Full name: Tango Crisco Margarine
Age: 52
Gender: Male
Address: 1412 I Can't Believe Its Not Butter Lane
Foxtrot, Wisconsin
Phone: 712-667-1212
That is you, right?
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Thursday May 04 2017, @08:11PM (2 children)
You seem to be arguing against your own excuse with this doxxing thing.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 04 2017, @09:49PM (1 child)
Do I really have to explain to you that TANGO MARGARINE is not a real name?
That there is no road called "I can't believe its not butter lane?"
That there is no city named Foxtrot?
(Score: 2) by tangomargarine on Friday May 05 2017, @02:37PM
You're complaining that you don't want to be doxxed for providing a pseudonym with no other connecting information. This doesn't make any sense.
"Is that really true?" "I just spent the last hour telling you to think for yourself! Didn't you hear anything I said?"
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Friday May 05 2017, @02:56AM (2 children)
A) I am not mad. I am pointing it out.
B) I am not sure where are the insults against her character. There is a class difference. The rich of India are westernized, get respected just because they can speak English, and have no understanding of the poor people (you know? the ones who shit on streets), and have never seen a village. There is so much information about this avilable and so much has been said and written for so long that doing this research for you just crosses the point of diminishing returns. Here is a starting point: 70% of Indians live in rural areas [business-standard.com]. Read up on what Gandhi himself said about this.
C) If by Critical Readers you mean you and then god bless you, carry on. Nobody is forcing you to be take anyone seriously. But if you seriously think the woman and I are on equal level of impact, what is there to debate? You think facts depend on your choice, then chose what makes you happy.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday May 05 2017, @05:24AM (1 child)
Facts do depend on your choice.
You've been fantastic at choosing which facts to ignore.
Kind of like someone who goes around telling people that cars can not work because they have three wheels.
Which is 100% true. Cars do have three wheels. They just also have a 4th wheel which he chooses to ignore.
Also your attempt to play off the gandhi crack as not being an insult reveals just how disingenuous you are.
We all saw it in black and white.
(Score: 2) by cubancigar11 on Friday May 05 2017, @07:13AM
Ugh... do you have anything else beside false allegations and strawmen? You have yet to point out what I have said that was a lie. "I don't believe you" is not an valid argument. Now you have shifted your opposition to 'not knowing full name of Gandhi is an insult'. The true insult is that people who don't know shit about India or its history go around talking about Indian culture and Indian-ness.
I haven't said a thing about her comments about guns either. I pointed out that she doesn't represent the culture she is using to give weight to her talk. I haven't actually even touched the farce that is 'Indians are all peace loving ahimsa wielding cow worshiping street poopers' which is how Indians have been stereotyped in the west - a trope which this article is using.