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Last week, Phoronix broke a story about the kernel DRM group over at FreeDesktop.org submitting a pull request for their code of conduct to be included in the kernel docs for the DRM subsystem. The next day it was merged.
I'm particularly interested in if they think this will keep Linus from saying hurtful things to them over lousy code. Discuss.
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Torvalds Merges DRM CoC Into 4.12 Development Repo
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(Score: 2, Touché) by kurenai.tsubasa on Monday May 08 2017, @07:57PM (8 children)
I think you're being disrespectful. I'm also going to pull my status here. Unless you're a womyn-born-womyn, I outrank you.
If you ask me to identify which part of your post was disrespectful, I'll take that as further disrespect and accuse you of both transphobia and misogyny. I might even telephone (or is it tweet these days?) some white knights and ask them to pipe up on the mailing list insinuating that you're an incel who hates women because you can't get laid. I will do this even if, and possibly especially if, I have reason to believe you're a homosexual man.
If you attempt to point out that these white knights are engaged in “Trolling, insulting/derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks” or maybe “The use of sexualized language or imagery and unwelcome sexual attention or advances,” you're wrong. See above where I pulled rank^Wstatus. I outrank you.
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Anyway, my point is you are dealing with people who are deranged hypocritical sociopaths (possibly psychopaths too, but IANAPsychologist).
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Monday May 08 2017, @08:43PM (5 children)
I think you're being disrespectful. I'm also going to pull my status here. Unless you're a womyn-born-womyn, I outrank you.
If you ask me to identify which part of your post was disrespectful, I'll take that as further disrespect and accuse you of both transphobia and misogyny. I might even telephone (or is it tweet these days?) some white knights and ask them to pipe up on the mailing list insinuating that you're an incel who hates women because you can't get laid. I will do this even if, and possibly especially if, I have reason to believe you're a homosexual man.
If you attempt to point out that these white knights are engaged in “Trolling, insulting/derogatory comments, and personal or political attacks” or maybe “The use of sexualized language or imagery and unwelcome sexual attention or advances,” you're wrong. See above where I pulled rank^Wstatus. I outrank you.
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Anyway, my point is you are dealing with people who are deranged hypocritical sociopaths (possibly psychopaths too, but IANAPsychologist).
Your satire is a little weak, but I take your point.
And that's exactly what a reasonable CoC framework coupled with reasonable people tasked with executing/enforcing said CoC is supposed to address.
There are numerous ways that can go off the rails. At the same time, there are enough jackasses to require some sort of framework to deter that sort of behavior.
What would you suggest otherwise? Throwing up our hands and saying "this is too hard, we're closing down ${PROJECT}" or "screw you guys, I'm going home!"?
It's sad that this is even an issue, but the results from ignoring it can (and in some cases, have) been much, much worse.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1) by oakgrove on Tuesday May 09 2017, @07:10PM (4 children)
What would you suggest otherwise? Throwing up our hands and saying "this is too hard, we're closing down ${PROJECT}" or "screw you guys, I'm going home!"?
How about, "Fuck this open source free software horse shit. I'll just use the proprietary analog and you can stick your little project and your political bullshit up your ass."
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday May 09 2017, @07:18PM (3 children)
What would you suggest otherwise? Throwing up our hands and saying "this is too hard, we're closing down ${PROJECT}" or "screw you guys, I'm going home!"?
How about, "Fuck this open source free software horse shit. I'll just use the proprietary analog and you can stick your little project and your political bullshit up your ass."
That addresses your involvement. Do you have any suggestions that are germane to the discussion, or are you just trolling?
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1) by oakgrove on Tuesday May 09 2017, @08:21PM (2 children)
Are you stupid?
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday May 09 2017, @08:46PM (1 child)
You've answered my question. Thanks.
Now back under the bridge with you.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 1) by oakgrove on Wednesday May 10 2017, @06:36AM
Now back under the bridge with you.
Catch phrases and clichés can't make for the fact that you've actually
answered my question.
Thanks.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 08 2017, @08:57PM
Psychopaths tend to have higher IQs and better social skills than sociopaths. These people don't even make it to psychopath status.
(Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 08 2017, @10:22PM
Sure, google-fu on cluster-b's reveals:
Variations are due to study sizes, estimates (aspd individuals are rarely diagnosed) and the fact that many of these diagnosed with one of these disorders will often present with comorbidity of others.
Emotional manipulation, pathological lying and psychological projection (victim playing) are the tell-tale signs of the dramatic personality disorders. At least 10% of the general population have one or more of these disorders and they are experts at the tools of their trade. We tell them to fuck off, we do not give them a set of rules by which they can frame innocent people. Direct communication is the best communication, do not let them triangulate. [wikipedia.org]
The ability to say "your code is shit" is a perfectly valid criticism after a few substandard patches. Managers must in fact be free to say this on open source projects.