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A new study led by the University of Delaware found that kids who are bullied in fifth grade often suffer from depression and begin using alcohol and other substances a few years after the incidents.
"Students who experienced more frequent peer victimization in fifth grade were more likely to have greater symptoms of depression in seventh grade, and a greater likelihood of using alcohol, marijuana or tobacco in tenth grade," said the study's leader, Valerie Earnshaw, a social psychologist and assistant professor in UD's College of Education and Human Development.
The study involved researchers from universities and hospitals in six states, who analyzed data collected between 2004 and 2011 from 4,297 students on their journey from fifth through tenth grade. The findings were published online in the medical journal Pediatrics.
The students were from Birmingham, Alabama; Houston, Texas; and Los Angeles County, California. Forty-four percent were Latino, 29 percent were African American and 22 percent were white.
Do you see this being true in your own life, or in the lives of others you know?
Peer Victimization, Depressive Symptoms, and Substance Use: A Longitudinal Analysis (open, DOI: 10.1542/peds.2016-3426) (DX)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:08AM (25 children)
Bully's do well because they are in gangs.
The reason why fighting back only does the victim harm is not any physical damage they might get from THAT fight but because they are already socially victimized by everyone from the other "peers" to people in authority there is never A bully, it is a social construction of selecting victims an victimizing them, there is no solution since the whole sick mess of a society is constructed on it as foundational.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:20AM (21 children)
I beg to differ. It generally only takes once of going absolutely apeshit on a bully, win or lose is irrelevant, and not only do they give you a wide berth from then on but you get the respect of your peers for demonstrably not being a pussy. As a guy who topped out at 5'6", I am intimately acquainted with this.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:29AM (11 children)
I have to think that you yourself where a bully in school to be spouting such unsupportable nonsense, you have an ideological desire for this to be true but it just isn't, it's very clear that bullying is sociologically supported by just such assertions that are propagated, from parents, from administrators and through them gangs of kids, physically resisting mostly results in increased victimization of the victim by peers, by authority an by parents, there is no evidence that what you say is true.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:40AM (8 children)
A bully, as the shortest guy in any given room? Yeah, that's me. Shaking down jocks for their lunch money.
I've got thirty-some-odd years (can't really count before school years) of empirical evidence saying it works and you've got supposition saying it doesn't. You lose.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:45AM (7 children)
Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence, your assertions(this is the internet) are not evidence it's not clear they are even opinion [citation needed]
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:55AM (6 children)
Here's your citation: Your granddad. Every last man in the US knew this until relatively recently. Quite a lot of them could provide you multiple data points even.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:01AM (5 children)
Your "citation" is I'm not man enough? yah you where a bully and still are, that much is clear, you taught you nephews to fight, not to defend themselves it seems.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:11AM (4 children)
Pulling stuff straight out of our asses now, are we?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:31AM (3 children)
To drunk to remember what you wrote? not my problem
"Here's your citation: Your granddad." did you know my grandfather ?, he most likely would have punch you in the face and called you a fascist that justified and propagated the violence of others and of authority, but what do I know.. He was a self educated man, a self made man, who never liked those that justified power over relationships.
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:33AM (2 children)
Your granddad. As in "ask him". Thus citation. Get some reading comprehension.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:45AM (1 child)
Oh so we're on to NO YOU! well here we are
(Score: 1, Offtopic) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:52AM
You really just spout unrelated words, don't you? I'm calling Turing Test failed on whoever's bot this is.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 3, Informative) by NotSanguine on Wednesday May 10 2017, @06:39AM
I have to think that you yourself where a bully in school to be spouting such unsupportable nonsense, you have an ideological desire for this to be true but it just isn't, it's very clear that bullying is sociologically supported by just such assertions that are propagated, from parents, from administrators and through them gangs of kids, physically resisting mostly results in increased victimization of the victim by peers, by authority an by parents, there is no evidence that what you say is true.
There are many things I disagree with Buzzard about, but my experience taught me that bullies are cowards. If you stand up to them, they will almost always then leave you alone.
After a really traumatic family experience, I changed schools to start the fourth grade. There were a bunch of kids who thought I was stuck up, rather than traumatized. For several weeks they chased me home from school *every* single day. Finally, I couldn't take it any more and didn't run.
I got my ass kicked, but I gave as good as I got and those kids never bothered me again. Because as soon as they saw that I wasn't an easy mark, those cowardly little bastards didn't want to mess with me any more.
As kids get older, many of them actually grow up and stop being bullies. But some do not. As an adult, just about every time I've run into adult bullies (usually some scumbag picking on children or women half their size), they scurry off in fear as soon as someone their own size gets in their face.
Why do you think so many women and children are battered and abused? Because cowardly, subhuman scumbags think that's the way to make them feel powerful and in control.
Violence is usually not the correct response to stressful situations. However, in certain, very limited circumstances, it may be the most effective. With adult bullies, it's usually enough to stand up to them and they'll go away. Kids often don't understand consequences, and so are more likely to force you into a fight.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 2) by slinches on Wednesday May 10 2017, @04:38PM
TMB is right, I have first hand experience of it. I was bullied for years. They do act as a group, but all it took was one punch and they all left me alone after that. Just show them that you will fight back and they go find another person to target.
(Score: 2, Interesting) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:20AM (8 children)
Aaaaahahahaha what, are you saying I was your size in seventh grade? Oh gods, this explains *so much* about you! I had no idea it was such a stereotypical thing, a literal case of "small man" syndrome that was making you such a putz! Jeez, and now you've degenerated into the online equivalent, except you can't even bully effectively. Your mother would be disappointed if she hadn't disowned you at birth :D
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:32AM (7 children)
You're about twenty-five years late if you wanted to get a rise out of me about my height. It was largely irrelevant after I figured out it had little to do with getting laid.
And bullying with words isn't bullying. It's just someone being an oversensitive little bitch.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:40AM (6 children)
I wasn't going to call you "oversensitive little bitch," but since you said it yourself...well, like Angelica Pickles said, if the shoe hurts, wear it :) You're making me feel guilty here, Uzzard, feeding me these juicy straightlines like you do.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:44AM (5 children)
Kind of a stretch there, I think.
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:47AM (4 children)
Not for me it isn't :) For you, apparently, it is. Here's a stepladder.
I am "that girl" your mother warned you about...
(Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @05:55AM (3 children)
Excellent, now I can tie my shoes, just like I've always wanted to!
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @07:44AM (2 children)
If you two are the first Soylent couple to get hitched, I hope that I, Anonymous Coward, receive an invitation to your wedding.
(Score: 4, Funny) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday May 10 2017, @12:02PM (1 child)
Don't think it'd work out. We both prefer our partner have boobs. Come to think of it, that's another thing we agree on. Two in forty-eight hours, whodathunkit?
My rights don't end where your fear begins.
(Score: 2) by Wootery on Wednesday May 10 2017, @12:10PM
Three if you count each boob.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 10 2017, @01:52PM (2 children)
That may well be your perception. Or, you are confusing "gangs" with "bully". Bullies come singularly, or sometimes in pairs. There aren't groups of bullies. Bullies aren't likeable, no one wants to be around them. That is part of the reason the become bullies. At best, a bully has a couple wannabe-tough-guys hanging around them, because it makes them feel secure - which is the very beginning of a gang mentality.
A bully, singular, is an insecure puppy. He KNOWS everyone is out to get him.
Multiple posts have already been made (Buzzard and Azumi) clearly stating what I already know: IF YOU HURT THE BASTARD HE WON"T COME BACK FOR MORE HURT! Doesn't really matter if you win the fight, or lose the fight - JUST FUCKING HURT HIM!!
Gangs are another creature. Gangs have some things in common with bullies, and gangs may even have a couple genuine bullies in them. But, the mentality is different. Gangs require loyalty, but bullies do not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 10 2017, @09:18PM (1 child)
How the hell do you "take" the bastard when (1) HR have his back and (2) you're on a work visa in the country. Bullies are scum. It should be legal to kill them.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 11 2017, @12:47AM
Lemme get this straight: You have compromised yourself by signing dumbass contract agreements, and placed yourself at the mercy of a predator. That predator is backed by a predatory corporation's HR. And - only now you discover that mercy is almost nonexistent in the corporate world.
You have two choices, as I see it. And, they are CHOICES. You go ahead and tolerate the abuse, and live in fear - or you man up, break the bully's nose, and head on home, wherever that is. Man up, or snivel in misery. Your choice.