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posted by Fnord666 on Monday May 22 2017, @05:36AM   Printer-friendly
from the send-the-kingsmen dept.

The New York Times reports that the Central Intelligence Agency faced one of its worst intelligence gathering setbacks in decades when many of its informants in China were killed or imprisoned between 2010 and 2012. To this day, it is unknown how the identities of the informants were compromised:

From the final weeks of 2010 through the end of 2012, according to former American officials, the Chinese killed at least a dozen of the C.I.A.'s sources. According to three of the officials, one was shot in front of his colleagues in the courtyard of a government building — a message to others who might have been working for the C.I.A.

Still others were put in jail. All told, the Chinese killed or imprisoned 18 to 20 of the C.I.A.'s sources in China, according to two former senior American officials, effectively unraveling a network that had taken years to build.

Assessing the fallout from an exposed spy operation can be difficult, but the episode was considered particularly damaging. The number of American assets lost in China, officials said, rivaled those lost in the Soviet Union and Russia during the betrayals of both Aldrich Ames and Robert Hanssen, formerly of the C.I.A. and the F.B.I., who divulged intelligence operations to Moscow for years.

The previously unreported episode shows how successful the Chinese were in disrupting American spying efforts and stealing secrets years before a well-publicized breach in 2015 gave Beijing access to thousands of government personnel records, including intelligence contractors. The C.I.A. considers spying in China one of its top priorities, but the country's extensive security apparatus makes it exceptionally hard for Western spy services to develop sources there.

Also at BBC, which notes:

Last year, China warned government officials to watch out for spies - and not fall in love with them

This CIA story really helps put that "Don't date a foreigner!" campaign in perspective. You don't want to see your significant other bleeding out in the street, do you? DO YOU?!

Update: Chinese paper applauds anti-spy efforts after report CIA sources killed


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  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Monday May 22 2017, @12:49PM (1 child)

    by Phoenix666 (552) on Monday May 22 2017, @12:49PM (#513465) Journal

    Chinese society is very fragile. It has "feet of clay," to borrow a Chinese phrase. It is more complex than 'oppressed people want to be free,' though. It's also not a matter of the Chinese people getting better access to better information. This is not the Cold War, when it was thought Voice of America could get the truth to oppressed people living behind the Iron Curtain. Even without the Great Firewall, there's not much of a beacon of justice or democracy out here to entice them to change.

    What they do see, and what does drive the fragility, is the corruption and wealth inequality they can see around them. Party officials and well-connected individuals get wildly rich and strut around in shiny foreign cars and live in opulent palaces. Everyone else grinds to get by. Factories close and people get laid off by the tens of thousands. Protests happen, but they get shut down by troops quickly.

    Sound familiar [nytimes.com]?

    There are regional tensions, too. City vs. countryside, North vs. South, Coasts vs. Interior.

    Sound familiar [npr.org]?

    In keeping a lid on all that, China has an advantage over others in that it's happy to have the army shoot everyone, and everyone rather expects that sort of move and aren't particularly shocked by it. One disadvantage they have is they have no civil society to buffer economic dislocations or the effects of corruption, such that when things break loose they break loose all of a sudden without warning.

    On the other hand, lots of warning does not seem to produce policy changes in places that have civil society, so maybe in the end China will outlast everyone else.

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  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 22 2017, @02:43PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday May 22 2017, @02:43PM (#513511)

    I think you're missing one of the most important variables: nationalism. Chinese are, by and large, extremely nationalistic. That doesn't preclude change that 'goes against the [established] grain', to put it one way, but it does help ensure that that change is geared directly towards the greater good as rapidly as possible. Something trendy in just about every election is for popular voices in America to claim they'll leave the country if their preferred politician doesn't get elected. Now they never do, but the fact that their ties to country are advertised as so incredibly whimsical as to be upset by a single election is something that I think speaks to heart of the American electorate. And that heart fundamentally says, "It's my way or you're wrong."

    Independence is a strength, but also a weakness. Should America begin to enter into chaos that cannot be completely mitigated and mediated by the powers that be, now that is going to a catalyst for self implosion. Chinese society may be fragile. I don't know. But I do know that ours is extremely volatile. Nationalism helps tie a country together, even in light of overt differences between themselves. In America nationalism has now begun to be used almost as a sort of pejorative.