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posted by martyb on Tuesday May 23 2017, @01:55PM   Printer-friendly
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Washington, DC—Reps. Tulsi Gabbard (D-HI) and Scott Perry (R-PA), both founding members of the Fourth Amendment Caucus, introduced legislation today to permanently codify protections on Americans’ privacy. Last month, the NSA announced it is ending its collection of Americans’ Internet communications that merely mention identifying terms for foreign targets, but are not to or from those targets, also known as "about" surveillance. The legislation introduced today would permanently codify this policy change into law. Gabbard and Perry, both veterans of the Iraq War, also co-chair the Post 9/11 Veterans Caucus.

Video of Rep. Tulsi Gabbard’s speech on the House floor is available here


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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by tangomargarine on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:33PM (22 children)

    by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:33PM (#514265)

    5 bucks says they ignore this one, too.

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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:49PM

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:49PM (#514281) Journal

    I'll see your five, and raise you fifty!

  • (Score: 2) by fyngyrz on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:51PM (6 children)

    by fyngyrz (6567) on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:51PM (#514282) Journal

    hey look another law telling the NSA to stop

    No, not a law. In order for the NSA to ignore it as a law, it has to first be made into a law.

    Two legislators introducing a bill is about as far from "a law" as my opinion on whether women should shave their legs and armpits is.

    • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by tangomargarine on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:34PM (2 children)

      by tangomargarine (667) on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:34PM (#514305)

      Two legislators introducing a bill is about as far from "a law" as my opinion on whether women should shave their legs and armpits is.

      So you're saying you have a path to making that a legal requirement?

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:56PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:56PM (#514493)

        Yes, it is the very same path that these two legislators must traverse.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @02:22PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @02:22PM (#514817)

          they're already legislators and you probably aren't

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @05:41PM (1 child)

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @05:41PM (#514414)

      dont forget the tang, no hairy tang in the ideal world

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @02:41PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @02:41PM (#514823)

        But then you don't have to floss separately.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:14PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:14PM (#514472)

      obligatory, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyeJ55o3El0 [youtube.com] (the original "I'm Just a Bill")

  • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:55PM (11 children)

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:55PM (#514284) Journal

    They didn't pass the previous several. Congress is dysfunctional.

    And believe it or not, they did follow the couple supreme court rulings, in that they got crappy bullshit warrants stretched far beyond the intent of the 4th amendment.

    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:10PM (2 children)

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:10PM (#514293) Journal

      Congress is dysfunctional.

      To whom?

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      • (Score: 3, Informative) by captain normal on Tuesday May 23 2017, @04:17PM (1 child)

        by captain normal (2205) on Tuesday May 23 2017, @04:17PM (#514348)

        "To whom?"
        Oh...about 81% of the people in the USA.
        http://www.gallup.com/poll/201974/congress-job-approval-start-new-session.aspx [gallup.com]
        Of course everybody hates Congress as a whole, yet we keep reelecting the people in our districts.

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        • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday May 24 2017, @02:57AM

          by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday May 24 2017, @02:57AM (#514642) Journal

          Of course everybody hates Congress as a whole, yet we keep reelecting the people in our districts.

          Exactly... So who are the dysfunctional ones in this equation? Certainly not congress. They have a winning formula that works perfectly for them.

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    • (Score: 2) by DannyB on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:27PM (7 children)

      by DannyB (5839) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:27PM (#514302) Journal

      They didn't pass the previous several. Congress is dysfunctional.

      Congress is not dysfunctional. Congress did as it was directed to do by its master, the NSA. Congress did not pass laws that would hinder the NSA from spying on Americans.

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      • (Score: 1, Troll) by ikanreed on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:42PM (6 children)

        by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:42PM (#514316) Journal

        Do you think seeing vague conspiracies of purified control by unstated methods make you smarter than everyone else? More informed? Wiser?

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @04:33PM (2 children)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @04:33PM (#514356)

          Do you think insulting people without offering constructive counterpoint makes you smarter than everyone else? More informed? Wiser?

          • (Score: 1, Troll) by ikanreed on Tuesday May 23 2017, @04:41PM (1 child)

            by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 23 2017, @04:41PM (#514364) Journal

            Honestly, if the person is spouting unsubstantiated bullshit, promulgating conspiracy theories as an explanatory method, questioning them as a person does seem both reasonable and justified to me.

            There's no rational, logical discussion to take away from. I at least feel contextually wiser than the person in question, certainly not than every person ever.

        • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Tuesday May 23 2017, @05:22PM

          by bob_super (1357) on Tuesday May 23 2017, @05:22PM (#514397)

          I don't see any conspiracy, but I remember dear old Mr Hoover, who did not have anywhere near as much capacity to peer into politician's closets as the NSA and CIA, yet had them scared shitless.

          I want to believe that there are enough good citizens at both places to protect democracy from their bosses abusing the information they definitely could have access to.
          On the other hand, the rest of the political side of .gov is so dysfunctional (I don't blame the worker bees), I can't reasonably exclude the possibility of occasional foul play.

        • (Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @06:24PM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @06:24PM (#514442)

          Just because you're paranoid doesn't mean they aren't also out to get you.

          • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:59PM

            by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:59PM (#514495) Journal

            Just because they're out to get you doesn't mean the arbitrary scapegoat for the shitty state of your national politics are the ones doing it.

  • (Score: 2, Insightful) by RandomFactor on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:13PM

    by RandomFactor (3682) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:13PM (#514295) Journal

    There's a chance it will go through since it is codifying current policy based on some of the backlash of late, though I suspect it is more likely to be killed to..ohhh... 'maintain the flexibility of the NSA to adapt to changing conditions in the future....'

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  • (Score: 2) by frojack on Tuesday May 23 2017, @06:08PM

    by frojack (1554) on Tuesday May 23 2017, @06:08PM (#514429) Journal

    10 bucks it won't even get a floor hearing.

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