The Guardian reports:
At least 19 people were killed and more than 50 injured after an explosion in the foyer area of a crowded Manchester concert hall, which left hundreds of people fleeing in terror. [...] Police said they were dealing with a possible terror incident and counter-terrorism officials were assessing what caused the explosion. Investigators from the police and the domestic security service MI5 were part of the investigation.
Greater Manchester Police statement:
I can confirm the details of events tonight that we currently know. At around 10.33pm last night we received reports of an explosion at the Manchester Arena in the city centre. It was at the conclusion of an Ariana Grande concert.
Currently we have 19 people confirmed to have died and around 50 people injured.
The injured are being treated at six hospitals across Greater Manchester. My thoughts are with all those who have been affected and we are doing all we can to support them.
[...] We are currently treating this as a terrorist incident until we know otherwise. We are working closely with the national counter-terrorism policing network and UK intelligence partners.
Unnamed sources, who have not been directly quoted are widely reported as suspecting this incident was a suicide bombing.
Multiple senior U.S. law enforcement officials briefed by British authorities told NBC News that forensic evidence at the scene — including a body found at the blast site — indicated a suicide attack. British and U.S. law enforcement officials said they believed they had tentatively identified the bomber.
U.S. officials said initial reports indicated that some of the casualties might have been caused by a stampede of concert-goers.
Sky News reports:
Officers carried out a controlled explosion at nearby Cathedral Gardens shortly after 1.30am, but have since confirmed the item they found was abandoned clothing and not suspicious.
(Score: 5, Insightful) by coolgopher on Tuesday May 23 2017, @03:55AM (11 children)
In its extremes, you only have two options. One is that you glass the entire planet. The other, in the words of WOPR, states that "the only winning move, is not to play".
Anything in between pours fuel on one fire or another and doesn't solve anything.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @04:44AM (10 children)
We no longer need to glass the entire planet. We can mass-produce drones. We can build drones that fire autonomously, reducing the labor needed to operate them.
Your so-called "winning move" is not an option. You might not be interested in war, but war is interested in you. You can not avoid conflict. This is particularly true when faced with a cult that is determined to spread and exterminate. You can respond in kind, or you can die.
(Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @05:15AM
You can not avoid conflict. This is particularly true when faced with a cult that is determined to spread and exterminate.
I don't much fancy pop music either, but come on.
(Score: 3, Disagree) by shortscreen on Tuesday May 23 2017, @06:55AM (6 children)
You can't completely avoid conflict, but you can mostly avoid it. One nation isn't going to conquer another just by hitting them with a suicide bomber once every other month. As infuriating as that would be, it's not necessary to escalate the situation to a war (and may after all be what the bombers had desired). If there is a coordinated brainwashing effort which is creating suicide bombers, it can be impeded by less drastic means (eg. cut off the funding), and the toxic ideology can be displaced by promoting an alternative ideology.
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:24AM (1 child)
I think importing them should count. Letting them breed on our soil should count. Coordinated brainwashing occurs in universities, where liberals encourage ideas like bringing in refugees from hostile places.
We could eliminate student loans and grants for non-technical studies.
Yes, the alt-right is much less toxic. It beats BLM, Antifa, and so many other violent self-destructive ideologies.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:53AM
It's not a good idea to have a complete blind spot on political and social issues. But there's a need to demand that people prove their thesis as permitted in a subjective field.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday May 23 2017, @11:22AM (3 children)
You know what? "Bomb" them with food - much cheaper than explosives, the logistic of "targeting" is simpler and it doesn't cost that much to transport overseas (as a ready-for-combat air carrier+support).
Even better: include many sugary items - obese people aren't that good combatants, and I reckon neither as suicide bombers.
Supplementary, it create more jobs than the defence industry.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @11:53AM (1 child)
Don't you get it? If you don't convert to Islam it will be seen like just and a duty to kill you. Giving them food won't solve this. These people don't reason like us.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @12:12PM
(another brain-bleached)
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @02:40PM
This is retarded. Surplus food causes increase in population. You would placate them (maybe) for now, next generation the problem is 3x worse.
(Score: 2) by isostatic on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:16AM (1 child)
This is particularly true when faced with a cult that is determined to spread and exterminate. You can respond in kind, or you can die.
Or join the cult. As a white male who speaks English and has no strong religious feelings either way I'm part of the 'cult' that's spent the last 500 years spreading. Trouble is when the other cults fight back.
(Score: 0, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 23 2017, @07:56AM
Islam has spent the last 1400 years spreading using extermination wars and enslavement. Even communists and Nazis would pale in historic context. What saved Europe and Christianity is technology and brains.