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posted by Fnord666 on Wednesday May 24 2017, @03:13PM   Printer-friendly

For the first time in 10 years, the Prime Minister said the terror threat had been raised to the highest possible level, from 
severe to critical, meaning an attack 
is "expected imminently".

[...] Mrs May also announced that troops would replace police officers at set-piece events including sports venues and concerts.

It will be the first time since 2003 – when the Government reacted to a plot to bring down an airliner – that troops are deployed on the streets.

[...] It is the first time Britain has been on maximum terrorist alert since 2007, when a blazing car loaded with gas canisters was driven into Glasgow Airport.

Source: The Telegraph


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  • (Score: 1, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @03:49PM (22 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @03:49PM (#514863)

    This will do fuck all to remedy the problem.

    None of the potential targets of Daesh, especially the UK, have the will to do what is necessary to eliminate Islamic terror, which is to eliminate the terrorists and their sympathizers. All of them. Everywhere. By any means necessary. I repeat, by any means necessary.

    Anything short of that is a waste of time.

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  • (Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @03:53PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @03:53PM (#514867)

    eliminate the terrorists and their sympathizers.

    We don't have enough psychiatric institutions for the hashtag and candle vigil crowd. Shipping these enablers and apologists to a muslim majority country could be an effective alternative to elimination though?

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @04:01PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @04:01PM (#514880)

    By any means necessary.

    Converting to Wahabbism would go a long way toward the goal.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @04:38PM (3 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @04:38PM (#514919)

      By all means, please do.

      • (Score: 4, Touché) by bob_super on Wednesday May 24 2017, @05:14PM (2 children)

        by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday May 24 2017, @05:14PM (#514952)

        No need to convert explicitly, Wahhabism just got reinforcements to the tune of a mere 110 billion dollars.

        • (Score: 3, Insightful) by isostatic on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:29PM (1 child)

          by isostatic (365) on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:29PM (#515009) Journal

          No need to convert explicitly, Wahhabism just got reinforcements to the tune of a mere 110 billion dollars.

          Whoever signed that deal should go straight to jail.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:19PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:19PM (#515049)

            Lock him up!!!

  • (Score: 2, Troll) by epitaxial on Wednesday May 24 2017, @04:53PM (15 children)

    by epitaxial (3165) on Wednesday May 24 2017, @04:53PM (#514936)

    What you have to start doing is adopting a policy of going after the families of suicide bombers. A drone strike right to their home.

    • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 24 2017, @05:04PM (9 children)

      by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 24 2017, @05:04PM (#514944) Journal

      ^ That, exactly! ^

      Once again, I'll try to explain that Muslims are tribalists. Everything they do is calculated to enrich a. themselves b. their immediate family c. the tribe d. there is no d. Everything is calculated on the basis of enriching self, family tribe - everything.

      If the commission of a terror attack results in multiple deaths within the tribe, the tribal leaders will forbid future terror attacks. If the commission of a terror attack can be shown to enrich the tribe, the tribal leaders will encourage future terror attacks. "Enrichment" need not be monetary, of course. If sacrificing a "martyr" results in a bit of prestige among the other tribes, then the tribe has been enriched. If some foreign nation, such as Iran, gives a monetary reward for having sacrificed a martyr, then things are wonderful - they will send a half dozen more unwanted sons to martyr themselves.

      The only way to stop terrorism from these tribals, is to ensure that the tribe suffers. The tribe must lose members, prestige, power, and/or money with each terror attack that it participates in.

      And, if some renegade little bastard goes against the elder's wishes, and engages in a terror attack after being ordered not to do so - we punish the tribe anyway.

      Islam adores death. We fear death. That's why they are winning. The day that we decide to give them what they love, then we will begin winning.

      We need not wipe out Islam. We only need to make it clear to all of the tribes that attacking the west is unprofitable. We only need to cause them severe pain with each terror attack. We may or we may not wipe out a couple of tribes in the process, but that doesn't really matter. We only need to make the bastards suffer, and suffer unbearably.

      • (Score: -1, Flamebait) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:00PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:00PM (#514981)

        Once again, I'll try to explain that Muslims are tribalists.

        Oh, no! NOT AGAIN, Runaway! Please, we all get it that your hillbilly mind can only understand a feud as the basis for violence, and that only based on kin. But we are not talking about that here, and what you understand is relevant to precisely nothing. Now go change your pants, you are starting to stink up SN.

      • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:18PM (7 children)

        by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:18PM (#514994) Journal

        Yes, because never in the course of human history has a "tribe" responded to escalating violence with its own escalation of violence, rather than just deferential submission. [rolls eyes]

        You're thinking about this as if suicide bombers were "soldiers" taking "orders" in some sort of "war." In that case, your strategy might have some chance of being effective, I suppose. Soldiers care about things like civilian vs. soldier distinctions, and they'll obey orders from a centralized hierarchy to "stand down."

        Instead, what you're frequently talking about here is a decentralized network of mentally ill or depressed loners, motivated primarily by the prestige that "martyrdom" for a cause could get them. If Islamic countries were capable of fighting major Western powers on military strength, they might do so. But they don't, because they can't -- instead, you have a factions of extremists promoting extreme action... and a tiny number of lunatics actually taking them up on their proposals.

        You want instead to unite these countries in their hatred of the West and cause large segments of the population to become "radicalized"? Then sure, start randomly killing innocent people in the streets. Unless you're prepared to literally wipe out most of the population of the Middle East (not just a "couple of tribes"), though, I doubt it will achieve your aim.

        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:31PM (6 children)

          by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:31PM (#515011) Journal

          "decentralized network of mentally ill or depressed loners" each of whom has a copy of the Quran, and one or more imams to guide them on The Way of Jihad.

          Bit of trivia for you: Many, if not most, suicide bombers have been mentally deficient, or otherwise defective human beings, who were manipulated into wearing that damned suicide vest into a crowded area. So, the average suicide bomber is less responsible than we generally assume. But, on the other hand, there are numbers of handlers in Islam who see nothing wrong with using that mentally defective fool as a human bomb.

          So, which is worse? The bomber, or the spiritual leader who pushes the bomber into performing for him?

          For comparison, when was the last time you heard of a Christian preacher strapping a bomb onto the parish retard, and directing that retard to walk into a crowded mall? I've heard that the Irish might resort to that kind of thing, but I'm not sure that I believe it.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:59PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:59PM (#515032)

            Many, if not most,

            Nope, not true. Alternative fact detected.

            there are numbers of

            No, there are not. Wrong. Fake. False.

            when was the last time you heard of a Christian preacher

            Sunday.

            I've heard that

            No, you didn't. You just think that you did. False memories. Where fake news facts come from, and go to die, forming a vicious circle of right-wing punditry.

          • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:27PM (4 children)

            by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:27PM (#515057) Journal

            Bit of trivia for you

            Interesting that your "bit of trivia" for me is quite similar to what you just quoted from my own post.

            But, on the other hand, there are numbers of handlers in Islam who see nothing wrong with using that mentally defective fool as a human bomb.

            And so what does killing the families of the bomber get us again? Isn't that what you proposed in this thread? So... you're claiming we should attack the parents of the village idiot, even though the village idiot was manipulated by some evil "handler"? How does this stop violence again? Or does it just make the parents (or the extended family, if the parents are killed) mad at the West instead of at the handler?

            For comparison, when was the last time you heard of a Christian preacher strapping a bomb onto the parish retard, and directing that retard to walk into a crowded mall?

            What does this have to do with anything? I wasn't arguing that suicide bombings were popular among Christians. Perhaps you're confusing me with a different post?

            Anyhow, if you sincerely believe what you just wrote, then you somehow think that logic will work with a bunch of "handlers" who are so unscrupulous that they're using mentally retarded people to wage their war for them. Why wouldn't they retaliate even more? I'll bet you'll get even more people to sign up if you've killed a bunch of their neighbors.

            • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 25 2017, @02:15AM (3 children)

              by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 25 2017, @02:15AM (#515242) Journal

              "And so what does killing the families of the bomber get us again?"

              You are punishing those who used the mentally deficient one. Instead of their willing sacrfice (their village idiot) they are forced to sacrifice some of their best. You might even get the individual(s) responsible for deciding that the mentally deficient must die. Ideally, you get the imam or sheik or elder who has been indoctrinating all of the youngsters in the village into the Way of Death and Hatred. At the same time, you reduce that tribe or village's standing in the tribal standings. Cost, and pain - you want to introduce the "fatigue of war" to the other side.

              My last was meant to point out that Islam is indeed a death cult. Pretty much all other cultures, no matter how xenophobic they might be, tend to target individuals, and/or to target military aged males. Islam targets random people. They don't care if they kill babies, old people, women, children, village idiots, or respected elders. They just love killing. Islam always has been a death cult. Again, Islam's only uses for infidels are rape, murder, enslavement, or if the infidels are truly well behaved, taxation.

              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 25 2017, @09:10AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 25 2017, @09:10AM (#515361)

                their willing sacrfice (their village idiot)

                Now I see why Runaway is so afraid. Runaway, if anyone offers you money to wear a "special" vest, and push a button, just say no! Nancy Reagan would be proud of you! And remember, Strangers are Danger! Especially ones with high explosives. Don't do it, Runaway! Your idiocy is needed right here!

                • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 25 2017, @01:55PM (1 child)

                  by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday May 25 2017, @01:55PM (#515456) Journal
                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 25 2017, @11:14PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 25 2017, @11:14PM (#515743)

                    The party's website details a slew of policies targeted at Islam or Muslims, ranging from the banning of the construction of new mosques to the video surveillance of existing ones to Trump's own suspension of immigration from Muslim countries.

                    But it is the argument made in Hanson's policy statement that Islam is not a religion that Dorling says reveals much about how right-wing ideas are being transferred from the American right to the Australian.

                    "Islam sees itself as a theocracy, not a democracy. Islam does not believe in democracy, freedom of speech, freedom of the press or freedom of assembly," reads the policy document in part.

                    "It does not separate religion and politics. Many believe that it is solely a religion, but the reality is that it is much more, for it has a political agenda that goes far outside the realm of religion. Islam regulates the Muslim's social and domestic life, their legal system and politics – their total life. Its religious aspect is fraud; it is rather a totalitarian political system, including legal, economic, social and military components, masquerading as a religion."

                    Dorling notes that though the idea that Islam is not a religion might be a "radically new proposition within Australian public life", it is an idea with a history among right-wing evangelical Christians in the US, where anti-Islamic sentiment rose after the September 11 attacks.

                    "As early as June 2007 the conservative American Christian broadcaster Pat Robertson told his national radio audience that 'we have to recognise that Islam is not a religion. It is a worldwide political movement meant on domination of the world'," Dorling writes in the Australia Institute paper.

                    http://www.smh.com.au/nsw/one-nation-australias-portal-to-trump-and-the-altright-20170127-gu08q5.html [smh.com.au]

                    Christian Wackos scared of Mooselins wearing muslin. Not a credible source. In fact, kinda "old timey religion" snake-handling crazy!

    • (Score: 4, Touché) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday May 24 2017, @05:37PM (4 children)

      by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday May 24 2017, @05:37PM (#514967) Journal

      Yes, murdering people who are guilty of nothing is definitely how I'd go about creating peace.

      • (Score: 2) by epitaxial on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:24PM (3 children)

        by epitaxial (3165) on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:24PM (#515054)

        Let me know when the peaceful methods start working.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:44PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:44PM (#515070)

          when the peaceful methods start working.

          Gee, guess America will just have to invade Iraq, again! War is Peace. Slavery is Freedom. Ignorance is quite smart and sexy!

        • (Score: 2) by DeathMonkey on Wednesday May 24 2017, @10:58PM

          by DeathMonkey (1380) on Wednesday May 24 2017, @10:58PM (#515175) Journal

          So you want to murder innocents because you're afraid of some other guys who murder innocents.

          Even a terrorist is willing to sacrifice himself and has been brainwashed into believing it's to Make Arabia Great Again.

          You're not sacrificing anything and your motivation is cowardice.

          This isn't hyperbole, I've logically established that you're actually worse than a terrorist.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 25 2017, @06:56AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 25 2017, @06:56AM (#515329)

          Let me know when peaceful methods are actually tried without a massive backdrop of military insurgency.