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For the first time in 10 years, the Prime Minister said the terror threat had been raised to the highest possible level, from severe to critical, meaning an attack is "expected imminently".
[...] Mrs May also announced that troops would replace police officers at set-piece events including sports venues and concerts.
It will be the first time since 2003 – when the Government reacted to a plot to bring down an airliner – that troops are deployed on the streets.
[...] It is the first time Britain has been on maximum terrorist alert since 2007, when a blazing car loaded with gas canisters was driven into Glasgow Airport.
Source: The Telegraph
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(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @04:18PM (30 children)
It is a tough one, some people will not integrate for generations. The answer that you are looking for is that you should not have allowed the parents in the first place. However it is too late for that.
You can't deport/incarcerate innocents "just in case" or because of the actions of one man.
If you stopped immigration into your country right now, it would take 3 or so generations for the existing ones to fully integrate, and for those who refuse to do so to either leave or be forced to leave.
However, you will still potentially have problems for the next 3 generations. This isn't a problem you can solve overnight, unless you want to go all genocidal on them.
(Score: 5, Interesting) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Wednesday May 24 2017, @04:52PM (26 children)
Everything I've read so far indicates that the parents are kindly, community-minded people who have never caused trouble for anyone. There's no reason whatsoever to have denied them entry. The apparent bomber himself seems to have been much the same way until recently when he started acting weird and aggressive. My money's on "cuts to mental health funding and social care let a potentially decent kid fall off the deep end, with unusually horrible consequences." I doubt that story will be allowed to gain traction though.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 24 2017, @05:39PM (22 children)
"There's no reason whatsoever"
Incompatible religious beliefs. Muslims believe the only proper thing to do with infidels, is to kill them.
(Score: 0, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @05:51PM (20 children)
Runaway, you ignorant slut! This:
is just plain false. Have you been hanging out with Michael Flynn again? Sometimes actual combat with people who shoot back scares the shit out of Americans so badly that they start believing things that are just not true. You are a bigoted, racist, uneducated, Fox News watching, Brietbarf reading, Beacon leering right-wing nut-job, Runaway! You are not an American.
(Score: 2, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:02PM (19 children)
No, I'm not hanging with Flynn. Instead, I read the Quran. Infidels are good for raping, taxing, killing, and enslaving. There is no other use for a nonbeliever. Go, read it for yourself.
(Score: 1, Funny) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:26PM (11 children)
Surah 4 An-Nisa, Ayat 29
(وَلَا تَقۡتُلُوۡۤا اَنۡـفُسَكُمۡؕ اِنَّ اللّٰهَ كَانَ بِكُمۡ رَحِيۡمًا ﴿4:29
Truly, you are an idiot, Runaway, and easily mislead.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:37PM (5 children)
I'm the idiot? Really?
0 YOU who have attained to faith! Do not devour one another's possessions wrongfully - not even by way of trade based on mutual agreement38 - and do not destroy one another: for, behold, God is indeed a dispenser of grace unto you!
That is a commandment that one Muslim should not try to take another Muslim's possessions. It says nothing, in that verse, about unbelievers. There are a lot of verses that deal with unbelievers, though - http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx [thereligionofpeace.com]
The Quran contains at least 109 verses that call Muslims to war with nonbelievers for the sake of Islamic rule. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called 'hypocrites' and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:54PM (4 children)
Rather strange translation. I take it you cannot read Arabic? So how do you know this interpretation is correct? Yes, Runaway, you are a child, a Trump, taking a position purely out of fear and emotion about things you really do not understand at all. If I were you, I would try to say less, so as not to reveal your ignorance even more.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:30PM (3 children)
We all have access to multiple translations from different scholars who can read classical Arabic. These translations all say pretty much the same thing. Of course, Muhammed and his followers were mostly illiterate and there are so many misused imported words, that serious scholars conclude the Quran does not really make sense in any language. So I put the question to you: Can you read classical Arabic? Even then, how do you know your interpretation is correct?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:58PM (2 children)
What interpretation? I have offered none!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @08:16PM (1 child)
What interpretation? I have offered none!
You deny both translation and interpretation are required to assert a translation was strange? You're arguing an-Nisa 4:29 [islamawakened.com] is not specifically referring to muslims?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @08:45PM
Are you one of those idiots that thinks that non-US citizens do not have rights under the US Constitution?
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:47PM (1 child)
Sigh... [cbn.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:21PM
Goldstein's Book [amazon.com]. Also demolishes Judaism and Christianity,
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:37PM (1 child)
I don't have a go-to preferred translation for this one such as The Message, my favorite for the works collected in the Bible, but let's see if one of these will do [islamawakened.com]. I'm also familiar enough with those works to be able to evaluate how close a particular translation may be to the mark.
As translated by Wahiduddin Khan:
(Score: 1) by kurenai.tsubasa on Wednesday May 24 2017, @09:16PM
I think I meant to type a “not” in that sentence somewhere, as in I'll admit I have no clue. However I also forgot to do my usual thing where I add context.
I made up the paragraph breaks there out of whole cloth.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @08:12PM
I'll just leave this video on the abrogation in Islam [youtube.com] among many other things.
The tl;dw is that Islamic scripture is self-contradictionary and doublethink is deeply ingrained in it's rhetoric. Mutually exclusive ideas are held as equally true and later verses are simply "more true" than the earlier ones.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:30PM (3 children)
You realize, of course, that most Muslims don't truly follow the Quran, right? When you say "Muslims believe X" and use the Quran as evidence that they believe X, you're utterly failing to take into account different interpretations of the Quran or that many Muslims just outright ignore it while pretending that they're not (a common occurrence among religious people).
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:39PM (2 children)
And, you realize that Islamic countries have their "Morality Police" to ensure that the populace do follow the Quran? Don't be the girl caught holding her boyfreind's hand in public!
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday May 25 2017, @06:38AM (1 child)
Yes, the hard line secular assholes have managed to gain power in large parts of the middle east. Why is that? Oh ya, the US / Russia / China have been fucking with the area and destabilizing every legitimate government. You do realize that there is a massive movement in the US happening RIGHT NOW trying to undermine democracy and promote our very own secular dictatorship.
What you should have is empathy for the millions stuck under such inhumane laws, and motivation to try and get democracy back on track in the middle east and elsewhere. Instead you apply the worst caricatures to entire populations and are basically the unwitting dupe of terrorists by spreading hateful propaganda that works for their purposes.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday May 25 2017, @02:04PM
Hmmmm - interesting thought. "legitimate government" Can you name a "legitimate government" in the Middle East? Try this: Find a map prior to - ohhh - 1850 that has Syria on it. Or, Lebanon. Or, Iran. Or, Palestine, for that matter. So, where did all these countries come from, anyway? Well, Iran has a lot of historical coherence. Iran is the descendant of Persia. The rest? Made up out of the imaginations of colonial masters. Countries were "created" according to crazy schemes of influence, ownership, tribute, and economic convenience. If nations had been created in the interest of the people of those nations, we would see the Kurds in possession of a nation - possibly named Kurdistan. Instead, we see the Kurds scattered among three mostly hostile nations.
Legitimate governments aren't imposed on people by outside forces, none of whom ever plan to be part of that government, or even that nation.
But, of course, we don't respect "legitimate governments" anyway. We toppled a perfectly legitimate democratic government in Iran for the sake of saving a few cents on a barrel of oil. To hell with legitimacy, democracy, justice, and all other considerations if they stand in the way of profit.
(Score: 3, Insightful) by janrinok on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:38PM (2 children)
(Score: 0, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:47PM
Obviously, in situations like this, where it is a question of a sacred text, we should defer to the opinion of the learned Mullah Runaway! He is very studied in both the Koran and the Hadith, and has gained much learning from right-wing nut-job scaredy-pants "clash of civlizations" websites.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:47PM
Yet there's a hadith that states it's okay to attack the Arab pagans by night because the woman and children are "of them". You need to read all the primary sources... and still can't reliably interpret the disordered, endlessly contradictory ramblings of a 7th Century psychopath as related by his illiterate followers.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @08:44PM
I saw a comment earlier that suggested he'd stopped going to his local mosque as they'd been preaching about the evils of Daesh. I'm not a Muslim and don't go to mosques so have no idea if that's bullshit or not.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @05:47PM (1 child)
Ramadan Abedi (the father) has just been arrested in Tripoli, along with the guys brother who has alleged links to IS.
(Score: 2) by GreatAuntAnesthesia on Wednesday May 24 2017, @08:03PM
That has come to light since I read this: https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/23/manchester-arena-attacker-named-salman-abedi-suicide-attack-ariana-grande [theguardian.com] which even gives a different name for the father.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @07:01PM
And my money is on being radicalized through one of the many Wahabist Imams operating across Britain. [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @05:14PM
Wanna bet? [wikipedia.org] Some cultures are simply incomptable with our own. [eclj.org]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday May 24 2017, @06:07PM (1 child)
"You can't deport/incarcerate innocents "just in case""
We have plenty of historical examples that say you really can do that. In fact, Muslims are quite good at doing that very thing: http://www.history.com/topics/armenian-genocide [history.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 24 2017, @08:50PM
Of course you physically could, you moron. The question is whether it is morally right, whether it is just. But no doubt someone so scared to death of Islam as you are would not even stop to consider such things. Terrorism has reduced you to a immoral moron, you muddle-headed myopic mucksucker.