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Devuan just released their LTS stable Jessie system:
Devuan GNU+Linux is a fork of Debian without systemd. The latest 1.0.0 Jessie release (LTS) marks an important milestone towards the sustainability and the continuation of Devuan as a universal base distribution. Since the Exodus declaration in 2014, infrastructure has been put in place to support Devuan's mission to offer users control over their system. Devuan Jessie provides continuity as a safe upgrade path from Debian 7 (Wheezy) and a flawless switch from Debian 8 (Jessie) that ensures the right to Init Freedom and avoids entanglement.
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-- hendrik
[See also the Devuan 1.0.0 stable release (LTS) announcement for more information on how to install/upgrade, the support services that are available (bug tracking/reporting, user forums, etc.) --martyb]
(Score: 5, Insightful) by jmorris on Friday May 26 2017, @10:07PM (1 child)
Probably because it looks so cut/paste from a pro RedHat OS blog instead of actual original content?
The objection is not just to systemd, it is the preference to stay on the UNIX side of the fork. RedHat and Pottering are building an entirely new OS atop the Linux kernel that differs from UNIX as much as, if not more than, Android. It's ideas are mostly derived from Windows thought processes. Now I have no problem with Open Source exploring any problem space developers care about or are paid to write code for. What I, and almost everyone on the Devuan side of the fork, object to is RedHat using their control of several critical Open Source codebases to drive out the UNIX side and force adoption of RedHat OS. They also apparently are using direct financial and political power. All of these forces were used to hammer Debian into abandoning previous principles to adopt systemd/Redhat OS. It is explicitly Linux only, something Debian had invested considerable resources into not being, aiming to the the "Universal Operating System", with BSD and HURD support, any arch enough volunteers could be found to maintain, etc.
Systemd is not the end goal, it was merely the base enabling tech Red Hat required to build the rest of it atop. Although lately it appears their new trick is to simply suck everything else into the vortex of systemd. NTP and DHCP really needed to be reimplemented inside the systemd morass? Really? Then all of networking itself? We suffered a decade from the failings of NetworkManager (also a curse inflicted by Red Hat) and when it was finally approaching a working state it was tossed for an all new rewrite?
It makes perfect sense when one remembers Red Hat's business model is support services. If it requires a full time dedication to simply keep current on where everything is configured this month, it makes a lot of sense to simply outsource admin to Red Hat. Reliable is always good, but stable breaks Red Hat's revenue model.
(Score: 3, Interesting) by srobert on Saturday May 27 2017, @12:04AM
"If it requires a full time dedication to simply keep current on where everything is configured this month, it makes a lot of sense to simply outsource admin to Red Hat."
Over 2 decades I've distro-hopped with about 25 different desktop linux distributions. Slackware, Suse, Fedora, Archlinux, LFS, Manjaro, Gentoo, Debian, etc. Spent quite a bit of time learning how each of them does things. About 5 or 6 years ago, I installed FreeBSD on a laptop that was well equipped for it. FreeBSD is by far my favorite desktop O.S. largely because it doesn't have the problem you just mentioned there. Mostly things are configured where they always were, unless there is a compelling reason to change it. I suspect FreeBSD's /etc folder will look largely the same after systemd is in the dustbin of Linux history.