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An Army veteran, a recent college graduate and a student who once won a poetry contest by condemning prejudice stirred up by the Sept. 11 attacks intervened as a man screamed anti-Muslim insults at two women in Portland, Ore., on Friday.
[...] Two of the men — Taliesin Myrddin Namkai Meche, 23, and Rick Best, 53 — died in the attack, which occurred on a commuter train. The third, Micah David-Cole Fletcher, 21, was treated on Saturday for injuries that the police said were serious but not life-threatening.
Jeremy Christian, 35, of North Portland, Ore., was charged with two counts of aggravated murder in the attack and could face additional charges when he is arraigned on Tuesday. Mr. Christian, who the authorities said had a history of making extremist statements on social media, was ranting at, and talking disparagingly about, the two women, one of whom was wearing a hijab.
Source: The New York Times
President Donald Trump has released his first official statement on the attack in Portland, Oregon, more than 48 hours after the two victims died.
"The violent attacks in Portland on Friday are unacceptable," Mr Trump tweeted. "The victims were standing up to hate and intolerance. Our prayers are w/ them."
Source: The Independent
Portland law enforcement leaders were tightlipped Saturday about the investigation into Friday's attacks that killed two men on a light rail train but a federal official did say it was too early to label the incident a hate crime.
[...] Loren Cannon, special agent in charge of the Portland FBI office, [...]
"It's too early to say whether last night's violence was an act of domestic terrorism or a federal hate crime," he said. "However, in the coming days, the FBI, PPB and the prosecutors will work together to share information, leverage resources and make determinations about future criminal charges."
[...] Leaders of the Muslim community said they were thankful for the men who gave their lives to save the girls from harm. They have raised $50,000 toward a goal of $60,000 to help support the victims and their families.
Source: The Oregonian
(Score: -1, Troll) by Ethanol-fueled on Tuesday May 30 2017, @05:43AM (17 children)
Hey, you're right. All Muslims don't want to kill you, only 98% of them do. 1 additional percent of Muslims ("moderate Muslims") will stand by and cheer your killers on and the remaining 1 percent will stay silent so that they can lie in wait to import their sons to kill your sons at a later date.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 30 2017, @05:51AM
I was so hoping Ethanol-fueled and Jeremy Christian were the same person. I am disappoint.
(Score: -1, Redundant) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 30 2017, @05:56AM
Do you ever stop drinking? Seriously man, give it a break!
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 30 2017, @09:44AM (14 children)
You're being just a little silly, and exaggerating.
Let's take prohibition. Do you really think that an entire generation of Americans decided that alcohol is evil, so they unanimously passed a law against alcohol? No way. A bunch of holier-than-thou assholes decided that America needed to be saved from the scourge of alcohol. Shrill, whiny, twits, who made more and more noise, until they got their way.
Our national fight against slavery. Do you actually believe that every white person in the North was convinced that black people needed to be saved, and that every white soldier who went off to war was on some kind of personal crusade? Pffft. At least half didn't give a damn. It was the vocal minority that moved things along, until finally there was a war. At least half, and myabe two thirds of the soldiers didn't give a damn about much of anything, except maybe the preservation of the union.
Muslims. The left is right. Most Muslims really don't want to do you any harm. It's the vocal minority that causes the harm. Unfortunately, Islam has no mechanism with which to keep that vocal minority in check. Sure, Mohammed taught that infidels are to die, but most Muslims can't be bothered to kill an infidel. Jihad is such a pain in the ass, after all. You have to buy a sword, you have to leave your wife(s) and girlfriends behind, you may or may not get good food away from home. And, you're not making filthy lucre at war, unless you capture some slaves.
Islam's problem is that only 1% or so are violent assholes, and that no one is interested in controlling them. Allah akhbar, if Allah be willing, then Ahmed will kill a few infidels, then come home to be a good citizen.
Of course, that 1% amounts to about 200,000,000 individuals who want to kill an infidel, with Islam's blessing. Just think what a real nation could accomplish with an army of two hundred million. China can't even boast an army that size.
(Score: 2) by NotSanguine on Tuesday May 30 2017, @11:15AM
Actually, the history that led up to Prohibition is much more complex and nuanced than that. I think alcohol (and the current ones on some druge) prohibition was a poor idea. However, there were large social and religious movements which pushed the idea forward for more than a century before Prohibition became a reality.
You can find a brief overview here:
http://www.axisresidentialtreatment.com/alcohol-addiction/history-in-america/ [axisresidentialtreatment.com]
For a more in depth look, Susan Cheever's book [goodreads.com] is a good place to start.
No, no, you're not thinking; you're just being logical. --Niels Bohr
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 30 2017, @11:18AM (3 children)
1% is 200,000,000? That would mean there are 20 billion muslims. There are muslims than people on earth?
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 30 2017, @03:56PM (2 children)
You got me - too many zero's. 20,000,000 is plenty enough though.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 30 2017, @05:33PM (1 child)
Your innumeracy goes way beyond not understanding percentages.
Get back to us with a comparison of the number of violent assholes in islamic nations versus non-islamic nations.
Ah, here I'll do it for you:
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 30 2017, @10:13PM
Ah, I love the sound of Runaway being corrected in the morning! It's like the smell, of Chinese population figures.
(Score: 2) by curunir_wolf on Tuesday May 30 2017, @05:37PM (3 children)
Infidels, to Mohammed, were the atheists and polytheists, not the Christians and Jews, whom Mohammed considered brothers, not infidels.
I am a crackpot
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 30 2017, @05:44PM (2 children)
You need to look at that again. A Christian is an infidel. He can, however, be permitted to live, if he pays the jizya. The Christian and the Jew is tolerated because they are monotheistic, and the recognize the prophets that Mohammed claimed to succeed.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 30 2017, @10:22PM (1 child)
Runaway, guess what? You are wrong! Wrong again! Still wrong! You know nothing whereof you speak! Let me help a little. You know that American Marine corps slogan? Yeah, that one! What was it? Right! Semper Fi. What language is that? Ok, it is Latin, and shortened at that.
The full phrase should be "semper fidelis". "Fidelity" means faith, allegience, things like that. So an "infidel" is someone who has broken trust, someone of "bad faith". Now "infidels" in Islam refers to those who convert to Islam, but then either reject it, or attempt to mess with the faith out of base motives. Christians, and even atheists, are not infidels, since they never pretended to convert, well at least all Christians other than Southern Baptist and Pentecostals and Dominionists and the Branch Dravidians and . . . ok, never pretended to owe faith to Islam. So not infidels, no mandated killing in the Koran. You are wrong. Sometimes, I think you are stupid wrong, on purpose.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 30 2017, @10:36PM
Even if you are correct, you are merely making the case that Islam is a totalitarian system. You don't get to choose anything. Everything is already decided for you, and you are expected to conform - or die.
But, back to the word "infidel". We use infidel, Muslims use kafir. It means "unbeliever". That is, if you don't believe in Allah, you are a kafir, or an infidel. Unbelievers must die.
http://www.dictionary.com/browse/kafir [dictionary.com]
Kafir
[kaf-er, key-fer, kah-]
Spell Syllables
Word Origin
noun, plural Kafirs (especially collectively) Kafir.
1.
Also called Nuristani. a member of an Indo-European people of Nuristan.
2.
(lowercase) Islam. an infidel or unbeliever.
3.
Kaffir (def 1).
4.
(lowercase). Also, kaffir. Also called kafir corn. a grain sorghum, Sorghum bicolor caffrorum, having stout, short-jointed, leafy stalks, introduced into the U.S. from southern Africa.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 30 2017, @07:32PM (4 children)
> Sure, Mohammed taught that infidels are to die
The rest of the wikipedia article meticulously demolishes all of the typical ignorant arguments that Mo didn't really mean what he said.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 30 2017, @10:10PM (3 children)
Wikipedia. So, you have a bunch of Muslims who jealously guard that wikipedia article, and you believe it. Or, have you never heard of wikipedia wars before?
No compulsion, you say. Are you going to believe some wikipedia article, or will you believe the words of a real imam?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vDXRwIGB0c [youtube.com]
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday May 30 2017, @10:25PM (1 child)
Truer words, etc., etc.
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Tuesday May 30 2017, @10:37PM
Molon labe.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday May 31 2017, @03:18AM
Is that all you've got? Really derp, is that the best you can do? To cite hannity, the guy whose own network shut him down for selling conspiracy theories?
Meanwhile that may be the single most comprehensively cited wikipedia article in existence.
It isn't about trusting wikipedia. Its about all of the sources that the wikipedia article synthesizes into an overwhelming deconstruction of your ignorant bigotry.