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posted by cmn32480 on Wednesday June 07 2017, @05:06PM   Printer-friendly
from the nobody-is-safe dept.

Terrorists have attacked the Ayatollah Khomeini mausoleum and Iranian parliament in two nearly simultaneous incidents:

There have been multiple attacks in the Iranian capital of Tehran, according to state media. A woman was arrested after a bomb attack and shooting spree wounded two people at the Ayatollah Khomeini mausoleum south of the city Wednesday, the semi-official Fars news agency reports. The news agency reported that a second attacker is currently surrounded by security officers.

That attack occurred at the same time as a shooting in the Iranian parliament, in which at least three people were injured after an attacker stormed the building in central Tehran, according to state-run Press TV.

Also at Washington Post, BBC, Reuters, Al Jazeera, and Tehran Times.


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  • (Score: 2) by butthurt on Wednesday June 07 2017, @05:28PM (23 children)

    by butthurt (6141) on Wednesday June 07 2017, @05:28PM (#522080) Journal

    The Al Jazeera story says that ISIS claimed to have made the attack.

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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday June 07 2017, @05:47PM (15 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 07 2017, @05:47PM (#522091) Journal

    Are you sure? It might be a bunch of Christian white supremacists!! Why would you be so quick to assume that DAESH is responsible? Just because they say so, doesn't make it so. /sarcasm

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by bob_super on Wednesday June 07 2017, @05:54PM (2 children)

      by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday June 07 2017, @05:54PM (#522096)

      Well, stats are pretty clear that Americans kill Americans, Europeans kill Europeans, and Middle-East people kill each other.
      Statistically, a young Iranian raised in a Muslim family is likely the culprit of a crime in Tehran.

      • (Score: 2) by driverless on Thursday June 08 2017, @06:49AM

        by driverless (4770) on Thursday June 08 2017, @06:49AM (#522467)

        Americans kill Americans, Europeans kill Europeans, and Middle-East people kill each other.

        Exactly. I kill me! [youtu.be]

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 08 2017, @04:45PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 08 2017, @04:45PM (#522669)

        "Americans kill Americans, Europeans kill Europeans, and Middle-East people kill each other."

        And everybody kills the Jews
        But during national brotherhood week...

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 07 2017, @06:50PM (7 children)

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 07 2017, @06:50PM (#522125) Journal

      Look, buddy, we know people who are ideologically in lock-step with you are killing americans every month. Your sarcasm is unwarranted.

      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Wednesday June 07 2017, @07:47PM (6 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 07 2017, @07:47PM (#522168) Journal

        Unwarranted, you say? Did you check with NCIS?

        • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 07 2017, @07:59PM (5 children)

          by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 07 2017, @07:59PM (#522175) Journal

          Unwarranted I say. Plenty of white supremacist terrorist fucks.

          And they're all pretty much the exact same kinda person as you, only more willing to take action. Your ideology sucks, runaway. It sucks so hard.

          • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 08 2017, @01:13AM (4 children)

            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 08 2017, @01:13AM (#522367) Journal

            "same kinda person as you"

            Your ignorance is showing.

            • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Thursday June 08 2017, @03:34PM (3 children)

              by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 08 2017, @03:34PM (#522621) Journal

              No, I've seen your posts. I don't mean "conservatism", even if that's descended from "mostly wrong" to "active trying to be wrong about things" over the past 30 years. I mean this identitarian worldview, hinged entirely on flagellating visible differences with other cultures as inherent inferiorities of those cultures, coupled with a fundamentally authoritarian attitude, when given the "right" authorities.

              It's indistinguishable except in implementation.

              • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 08 2017, @04:18PM (2 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 08 2017, @04:18PM (#522647) Journal

                Actually, I don't think I've ever characterized Islam as "inferior" to our way of life. Islam actually has some things going for it, that seem superior to our way. What I have stated, repeatedly, and very clearly, is that Islam is incompatible with the western way of life. Islam is anathema to every judicial system that western man has experimented with, beginning with the Code of Hamarabai, and continuing on through current US Code.

                In Islam, there are no rights. There is only submission. Submit to the will of Allah, as interpreted by the leading imams of the time. Submit, or die.

                Take the worst of the worst that Christianity has ever been accused of, subtract all of Christianity's best traits, and you have Islam.

                People think that the Christian inquisitions were a bad thing. In Saudi Arabia, the inquisitions continue, daily.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_GsG4y7JoQY [youtube.com]

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IEH0BLuDbI [youtube.com]

                • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Thursday June 08 2017, @04:26PM

                  by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 08 2017, @04:26PM (#522652) Journal

                  Yeah, fine, I get it, your flavour of identitarian exclusionism is totes special and unique to you.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 08 2017, @04:45PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 08 2017, @04:45PM (#522667)

                  Gotta agree with ikanreed here, you have a lot of decent viewpoints and quite a few good arguments from time to time; but then you sneak in with some weirdly pro-authoritarian garbage from time to time. My guess is it is latent brainwashing from your stint in the military, plus your older generation simply seems to take a lot of authoritarian beliefs for granted. So you probably have no idea and think its just normal. Can the fish see the bowl?

    • (Score: 2) by butthurt on Wednesday June 07 2017, @11:56PM (3 children)

      by butthurt (6141) on Wednesday June 07 2017, @11:56PM (#522329) Journal

      Are you sure? It might be a bunch of Christian white supremacists!! Why would you be so quick to assume that DAESH is responsible? Just because they say so, doesn't make it so. /sarcasm

      What I wrote was:

      ISIS took responsibility. The Al Jazeera story says that ISIS claimed to have made the attack.

      Were I sure that they were responsible, I would have written "ISIS did it." When I use the word "claim" I'm indicating doubt.

      State or assert that something is the case, typically without providing evidence or proof.

      -- https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/claim [oxforddictionaries.com]

      According to one of the stories, they provided a video. If you mean to imply that I ought to have assumed that they did it, and the fact that they claimed to have done the attack was not noteworthy, I disagree. They didn't claim to have done the recent attacks in Afghanistan; as far as I know no one has. So I thought that the claim of responsibility was noteworthy.

      I'm unsure what you're hinting at with the mention of "a bunch of Christian white supremacists." Christians in Iran are a small minority, and many of them are Armenian.

      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christianity_in_Iran#Current_situation [wikipedia.org]

      I'm unsure whether you deem Armenians white. In the last century, Iran was occupied by the Russians, the British, and the Soviet Union. The first two would qualify as white, Christian countries, I'd say. Perhaps you're ridiculing me because I've submitted stories about the white supremacy movement in the United States? I've also submitted stories here about violence that appeared to have been done by Muslims; the editors didn't deem them newsworthy.

      /submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=20424 [soylentnews.org]
      /submit.pl?op=viewsub&subid=13387 [soylentnews.org]

      • (Score: 1) by calmond on Thursday June 08 2017, @03:41PM

        by calmond (1826) on Thursday June 08 2017, @03:41PM (#522627)

        This kind of crap is exactly why I don't post.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 08 2017, @04:49PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 08 2017, @04:49PM (#522673)

        So we often here calls for more stories, so why would your two stories not be news but this one is? Or some of the other lame stories TMB submits in order to troll people? I've had stories that didn't make it in that seemed like easy wins. What gives?

        • (Score: 2) by butthurt on Friday June 09 2017, @01:21AM

          by butthurt (6141) on Friday June 09 2017, @01:21AM (#522886) Journal

          An editor sent me a note about the Jakarta story. The note has disappeared now (my messages disappear more quickly than they ought to) but I recall that it was to the effect that that sort of attack was a fairly typical occurrence for that part of the world. As for the story about the Dhaka attack, I don't recall clearly, but I think there was a note saying it was rejected because the event happened in Bangladesh. I've also gotten a note saying that too many "political" stories were being submitted; that note has also disappeared, but the sentiment was expressed in a comment by one of the editors:

          Welcome to the Politics Nexus, boys and girls. The next time anyone asks why we don't run more political articles, please remember this dumpster fire.

          -- /politics/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=18256&page=2&cid=473669#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

          When I submitted several stories that weren't about science or technology, they were removed from the queue without being explicitly rejected. I thought it was a bug, but NCommander explained that it's an option the editors have, which isn't normally used to indicate rejection:

          /meta/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=19640&page=1&cid=516941#commentwrap [soylentnews.org]

  • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday June 07 2017, @05:52PM

    by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday June 07 2017, @05:52PM (#522094) Journal

    So... Saudi Arabia, no? A shot across the bow for supporting Qatar?

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday June 07 2017, @06:09PM (5 children)

    by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday June 07 2017, @06:09PM (#522105)

    Not surprising: ISIS claims responsibility for anything that could be remotely them. Among the tiny minority people in the Muslim world that like to pull this kind of stuff, this is great propaganda for them. ISIS, among other things, sees the Iranians as not Muslim, in no small part because Iran declared ISIS not Muslim a long time ago and helped Iraq and Syria fight them in one of the most significant commitments of forces since the 1979 revolution.

    Also, if ISIS did in fact carry this one out, and did in fact have anything to do with what's been going down in Britain (both of those are open for question at this point), their reason for shifting to terrorism would have a lot to do with the fact that they're losing militarily. Any of the ISIS leadership still in what used to be their capital, Mosul, are surrounded and under siege in the very center of the city. The Iraqi and Kurdish forces are steadily pushing them back to the Syrian border. And on the Syrian side, both the Assad government and rebel groups are attacking ISIS and pushing them back as well. As the bad guys get desperate, they lash out with whatever they can muster, and probably gave the word to carry out any terrorist attacks they could because HQ doesn't have much time left.

    I sincerely hope the Trump administration doesn't change course significantly when it comes to ISIS, because the aftermath will be much much better if the local forces crush them than if those foreign infidels win. For instance, Iraq now seems to have an army that can and will fight and fight well, and that's important in preventing this from happening again.

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    • (Score: 1) by fustakrakich on Wednesday June 07 2017, @06:39PM

      by fustakrakich (6150) on Wednesday June 07 2017, @06:39PM (#522121) Journal

      'Is Muslim, isn't Muslim'... Who the hell cares?! [thehindu.com]

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    • (Score: 4, Informative) by Arik on Wednesday June 07 2017, @07:04PM (2 children)

      by Arik (4543) on Wednesday June 07 2017, @07:04PM (#522138) Journal
      "ISIS, among other things, sees the Iranians as not Muslim, in no small part because Iran declared ISIS not Muslim a long time ago and helped Iraq and Syria fight them in one of the most significant commitments of forces since the 1979 revolution."

      While it's no doubt true that ISIS see Shiite Iranians as infidels, it actually has nothing at all to do with the Iranians returning the favor, as it's a theological stance that's a couple of hundred years old and the Iranian response is much more recent.

      ISIS regard Shiites of all form as infidels, more or less. That's little if any different from how they feel about traditional Sunnis either. You have to remember that this all starts with al-Wahhab in the 18th century, out in the desert, deciding that the entirety of Islam, every school, every ruler, every tradition, every Imam, they're *all* effectively infidels to these guys.
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      • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday June 07 2017, @07:13PM (1 child)

        by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday June 07 2017, @07:13PM (#522146)

        My experience is that convenience and military necessity tend to trump ideology in wartime. If the Iranians had been offering help to ISIS rather than their enemies, I'm pretty sure that ISIS would have found a way to be OK with Shiites. It's sort of like how between 1938 and 1948 in the US, the USSR went from being Irredeemable Bad Guys to being our brave and noble ally against the Axis powers to being Irredeemable Bad Guys again.

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        • (Score: 3, Informative) by Arik on Wednesday June 07 2017, @07:57PM

          by Arik (4543) on Wednesday June 07 2017, @07:57PM (#522174) Journal
          Well clearly they're more about crime and politics than religion at a certain level. These are not a bunch of pious guys, and a bunch of pious guys would never build something like this, no matter what religion. But they can't just shrug off religious arguments like the USA could in the cold war - that Wahhabi theology is just too critical to their ideology, to their recruiting, everything, it's hard to see them ever playing nice with Shiites. If they can't maintain the claim that they are ruling in accordance with Wahhabi theology, then the supply of suicide bombers might see a real sudden drop-off, you know?
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    • (Score: 2) by quietus on Thursday June 08 2017, @12:37PM

      by quietus (6328) on Thursday June 08 2017, @12:37PM (#522556) Journal

      ISIS already claimed responsibility for the attack when it was happening -- showing a video from inside the Parliament (while the attack was occurring).