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posted by on Thursday June 08 2017, @09:57AM   Printer-friendly
from the puerile-plan-purports-to-prevent-pathogens dept.

Of late, [Robert] Zubrin has been bothered by another potential difficulty between humans and the exploration and settlement of Mars—planetary protection. This is the prime-directive-style notion that humans should not contaminate other worlds with Earth-based microbes and, on the flip side, that humans should not introduce any potentially dangerous pathogens to Earth.

[...] This is not a problem that NASA or would-be explorers should take all that seriously with regard to Mars, Zubrin argued during a characteristically fiery talk in late May. He made his remarks at the International Development and Space Conference in St. Louis, which is held by the National Space Society and dedicated to the settlement of space.

Zubrin asserted that Mars almost certainly has no life to be infected by Earth and no extant life which might eventually infect Earth. Mars has no liquid water on the surface, where temperatures are well below freezing, and an ultraviolet light would kill any new life.

[...] An overly zealous Planetary Protection community could also effectively kill human exploration on Mars, he argued, because there is no way to sterilize a crew, especially if the unthinkable happens. "If you maintain this pretense, a human expedition to Mars is impossible," he argued. "You cannot guarantee that a human mission to Mars won't crash, in which case you'll be scattering human microbes all over the surface."

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  • (Score: 2) by Grishnakh on Thursday June 08 2017, @06:00PM (1 child)

    by Grishnakh (2831) on Thursday June 08 2017, @06:00PM (#522709)

    The US has already sent several rovers and landers to Mars, and the US and other nations (USSR, China, India) have landed on the Moon too, all well after this silly treaty was signed. There's no real "planetary protection community", just some language in an old treaty about being careful to not contaminate any place that might have life. And UN treaties have no real way of enforcing them anyway, unless the major players agree to (which is very rare). With the US, Russia, China, and India all happily sending probes and landers to other worlds, there's no sign that anyone is going to be very aggressive about this.

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  • (Score: 2) by urza9814 on Thursday June 08 2017, @07:09PM

    by urza9814 (3954) on Thursday June 08 2017, @07:09PM (#522746) Journal

    The US has already sent several rovers and landers to Mars, and the US and other nations (USSR, China, India) have landed on the Moon too, all well after this silly treaty was signed.

    That's not a conflict, it's the whole point! Article IX states (emphasis mine):

    "...States Parties to the Treaty shall pursue studies of outer space, including the Moon and other celestial bodies, and conduct exploration of them so as to avoid their harmful contamination and also adverse changes in the environment of the Earth resulting from the introduction of extraterrestrial matter and, where necessary, shall adopt appropriate measures for this purpose..

    Planetary protection isn't about keeping away, it's about exploring without destroying ourselves or the thing we're trying to explore in the process. Yes, we send rovers and even manned missions, but only after careful sterilization processes. They've been doing that since Apollo, and continue to do so with the more recent Mars missions:

    https://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/casi.ntrs.nasa.gov/19750006598.pdf [nasa.gov]
    https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/technology/is_planetary_protection.html [nasa.gov]

    And UN treaties have no real way of enforcing them anyway, unless the major players agree to (which is very rare).

    Yes, I believe I mentioned that as well...although damn near the entire world has signed on to this, and as most of them don't have space capabilities, they wouldn't have much to lose by trying to push for stringent enforcement. And those that do have space capabilities seem to be obeying it -- we've been doing this on every probe or craft we've sent up there for several decades now. This isn't an unenforced and ignored treaty, it's a treaty that was successfully implemented decades ago. As long as NASA is mostly in charge I expect that it'll be obeyed; but I do agree that if someone like the DoD decides to get more involved then all bets are off...