SoylentNews is people
SoylentNews
The Lubuntu 17.04 Desktop/Live CD(ISO) is missing the package: net-tools[1]
It's troubling to find a LiveCD today that does not have something as simple as netstat and other important tools available.
It's also quite pathetic to discover the recent Debian LiveCDs are missing UFW[2].
[1] "This package includes the important tools for controlling the network subsystem of the Linux kernel. This includes arp, ifconfig, netstat, rarp, nameif and route."
[2] "The Uncomplicated FireWall is a front-end for iptables, to make managing a Netfilter firewall easier. It provides a command line interface with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter. It is particularly well-suited as a host-based firewall."
[Ed note: Assuming one has an internet connection, can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing? Is this just whining on the part of the submitter or an actual shortcoming? What are your thoughts on this?]
(Score: 2) by jasassin on Monday June 12 2017, @12:06PM (7 children)
Now I'm wondering how the system sets up the networking. What does it do that a user can't do? Is it some systemd thing? I really do not know, but find it quite interesting.
I know I'd be a hurting unit if I didn't have ifconfig.
jasassin@gmail.com GPG Key ID: 0xE6462C68A9A3DB5A
(Score: 2, Informative) by linuxrocks123 on Monday June 12 2017, @12:13PM (2 children)
The situation isn't related to SystemD. See my post below.
(Score: 2) by jasassin on Monday June 12 2017, @12:36PM (1 child)
That is unless of course lubuntu doesn't include network manager and instead only uses systemd-networkd (I do not know I don't use lubuntu.)
http://xmodulo.com/switch-from-networkmanager-to-systemd-networkd.html [xmodulo.com]
jasassin@gmail.com GPG Key ID: 0xE6462C68A9A3DB5A
(Score: 2) by linuxrocks123 on Saturday June 17 2017, @11:14PM
Network Manager isn't the alternative. From what other posters have posted, it appears to be iproute2.
(Score: 2) by TheGratefulNet on Monday June 12 2017, @04:49PM (1 child)
debian is at fault.
when I installed ubuntu 17, I found that you have to install net-tools to get 'ifconfig' to be there!
how fucking stupid!
its not ubuntu, its debian. they have 'lost their minds', truly.
"It is now safe to switch off your computer."
(Score: 2) by Marand on Tuesday June 13 2017, @01:27AM
Debian is not at fault. Refer to my other comment [soylentnews.org], but the TL;DR is you haven't kept kept up and are now complaining about it.
(Score: 1, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @05:21PM (1 child)
Ok, stupid question. I've used ifconfig for ages, and I still type that out of habit. However, I've been getting use to the ip suite (ip addr and ip route in particular) since it has more capabilities. IPv6 with ifconfig can get a little hairy. Does it indeed not have ip either?
I hate systemd as much as the next person here. New is not always better, new is often not better these days, but sometimes new is better imho.
(Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @10:25PM
recent upgrade informed me that ifupdown was going to stop paying attention to /etc/default because systemd doesn't like it. Oddly /etc/default is the place to put settings to bypass systemd and netnames and other freedesktop crap. Probably just a coincidence. Just remember it's perfectly easy to run debian without systemd.