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posted by martyb on Monday June 12 2017, @11:45AM   Printer-friendly

The Lubuntu 17.04 Desktop/Live CD(ISO) is missing the package: net-tools[1]

It's troubling to find a LiveCD today that does not have something as simple as netstat and other important tools available.

It's also quite pathetic to discover the recent Debian LiveCDs are missing UFW[2].

[1] "This package includes the important tools for controlling the network subsystem of the Linux kernel. This includes arp, ifconfig, netstat, rarp, nameif and route."

[2] "The Uncomplicated FireWall is a front-end for iptables, to make managing a Netfilter firewall easier. It provides a command line interface with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter. It is particularly well-suited as a host-based firewall."

[Ed note: Assuming one has an internet connection, can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing? Is this just whining on the part of the submitter or an actual shortcoming? What are your thoughts on this?]


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  • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Monday June 12 2017, @12:22PM (9 children)

    by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Monday June 12 2017, @12:22PM (#524315) Homepage Journal

    The tools he's talking about have been deprecated since forever. You're not supposed to use "ifconfig" and "route" to manage your connection anymore; you're instead supposed to use something else that uses a newer kernel interface. I'm not sure exactly what the other thing is

    It's nmcli network manager command line interface. Just skimmed through the page. Looks like a pain.

    https://soylentnews.org/comments.pl?noupdate=1&sid=20000&op=Reply&page=1&pid=524304#post_comment [soylentnews.org]

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  • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Monday June 12 2017, @12:26PM (1 child)

    by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Monday June 12 2017, @12:26PM (#524320) Homepage Journal

    Holy shit! Bad link I'm not even high... here you go:

    Lubuntu:

    http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/trusty/man1/nmcli.1.html [ubuntu.com]

    And for Fedora pretty much the same shit, but heres the link:

    https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Networking/CLI [fedoraproject.org]

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    • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Monday June 12 2017, @01:06PM

      by kaszz (4211) on Monday June 12 2017, @01:06PM (#524359) Journal

      Obviously ubuntu.com are not serious about security. No https option to access their site.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @12:28PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @12:28PM (#524322)

    This is not the droid^W page you're looking for.

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  • (Score: 4, Insightful) by nobu_the_bard on Monday June 12 2017, @12:48PM

    by nobu_the_bard (6373) on Monday June 12 2017, @12:48PM (#524341)

    Wouldn't it be better then, to do this:
    - alias ifconfig and its options as their nmcli equivalents
    - have the first line when ifconfig is used indicate what the equivalent command being executed is in nmcli

    Then it's less likely users that never learned nmcli won't ragequit on you.

  • (Score: 3, Touché) by ArcticScavenger on Monday June 12 2017, @12:53PM

    by ArcticScavenger (5890) on Monday June 12 2017, @12:53PM (#524346)

    The program 'nmcli' is currently not installed. You can install it by typing:
    sudo apt install network-manager

    On Ubuntu 16.04 LTS Server, at least ifconfig is present, not sure I want to give it up right here.

  • (Score: 2) by kaszz on Monday June 12 2017, @01:02PM

    by kaszz (4211) on Monday June 12 2017, @01:02PM (#524354) Journal

    Faulty link.

  • (Score: 2) by VLM on Monday June 12 2017, @01:30PM

    by VLM (445) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 12 2017, @01:30PM (#524375)

    that looks absolutely horrible. As a freebsd user I strongly encourage linux to continue on its path to obscurity. Hurry up, so it can be gotten rid of and ignored, faster.

    In the 80s/90s we had people making up joke "turing tarpit" languages like Intercal. Now the same jokers are ALL completely in charge of Linux system administration development. NMCLI in 2017 is a near perfect analogy to Intercal in 1997.

  • (Score: 2) by digitalaudiorock on Monday June 12 2017, @01:54PM

    by digitalaudiorock (688) on Monday June 12 2017, @01:54PM (#524389) Journal

    It's nmcli network manager command line interface. Just skimmed through the page. Looks like a pain.

    Also, it's specifically for NetworkManager as far as I can see. As others have pointed out, there are much better options for a live CD like system rescue CD,

  • (Score: 2, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @10:34PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Monday June 12 2017, @10:34PM (#524692)

    Dear god no. ip is the replacement. nm is just some gnome crap that gets uninstalled at the first opportunity.