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posted by martyb on Monday June 12 2017, @11:45AM   Printer-friendly

The Lubuntu 17.04 Desktop/Live CD(ISO) is missing the package: net-tools[1]

It's troubling to find a LiveCD today that does not have something as simple as netstat and other important tools available.

It's also quite pathetic to discover the recent Debian LiveCDs are missing UFW[2].

[1] "This package includes the important tools for controlling the network subsystem of the Linux kernel. This includes arp, ifconfig, netstat, rarp, nameif and route."

[2] "The Uncomplicated FireWall is a front-end for iptables, to make managing a Netfilter firewall easier. It provides a command line interface with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter. It is particularly well-suited as a host-based firewall."

[Ed note: Assuming one has an internet connection, can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing? Is this just whining on the part of the submitter or an actual shortcoming? What are your thoughts on this?]


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  • (Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Monday June 12 2017, @12:27PM (15 children)

    by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 12 2017, @12:27PM (#524321) Journal

    The net-tools package is a whopping 200Kb. Yeah. Pretty stupid.

    ...groan... now I need two sides of a new 5 1/4" flippy disk. Hard to get one these days.

    (old grin).

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  • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 12 2017, @12:35PM (7 children)

    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 12 2017, @12:35PM (#524327) Journal

    LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)

    • (Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Monday June 12 2017, @12:53PM (6 children)

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 12 2017, @12:53PM (#524345) Journal

      LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)

      Sorry, that's not a typo, it's a proper term.
      You take a 1-sides floppy, cut a notch on the other side of the envelope, flip it around and, finger crossed, hope it's a good enough quality to work as a double-sided floppy.
      There you have it [wikipedia.org]

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      • (Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 12 2017, @02:37PM (5 children)

        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 12 2017, @02:37PM (#524421) Journal

        I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days. I used very few 5 1/4 inch disks - almost everything I ever owned that used floppies used 3 1/2. I didn't know that the larger disks could be "flipped".

        • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Monday June 12 2017, @04:03PM

          by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Monday June 12 2017, @04:03PM (#524456) Journal

          I remember flipping floppies frequently, as well as having one of the "punchers" to convert a single-sided disk to double-sided.

          However, I'm not sure how common the "flippy" appellation was. I vaguely remember it being used casually as slang, and a quick Google search from old documents seems to indicate "flippy" or "flippy disk" often appeared in quotation marks the small number of times it comes up. I don't ever remember it being used in ads or manuals, etc., so I'm not sure how "proper" the term was. (I could be wrong, though -- it was a long time ago.)

          I generally just called them double-sided floppies, as I think did most people.

        • (Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Monday June 12 2017, @04:49PM

          by LoRdTAW (3755) on Monday June 12 2017, @04:49PM (#524490) Journal

          I'm 37 and remember using 5.25 quite often in the 80's. Even into the 90's as every PC up to my 486 had a 5.25.

        • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 12 2017, @09:12PM

          by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 12 2017, @09:12PM (#524658) Journal

          I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days.

          To make you feel better - I also used punch-cards in an attempt to write a program. It never ran, too many typos, gave up after 3 attempts.

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        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 13 2017, @01:28AM (1 child)

          by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 13 2017, @01:28AM (#524755)

          The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.

          • (Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 13 2017, @02:08AM

            by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Tuesday June 13 2017, @02:08AM (#524762) Journal

            The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.

            I used them.

            If you want to get really-really back into the history:
            1. did you ever used a PDP-11?
            2. did you ever used punch cards? (IBM-360)

            I'd be answering in the positive for both (no, I'm not that old, but programmers in a former communist country couldn't quite be choosers in their time).

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  • (Score: 2) by jasassin on Monday June 12 2017, @12:42PM (6 children)

    by jasassin (3566) <jasassin@gmail.com> on Monday June 12 2017, @12:42PM (#524334) Homepage Journal

    ...groan... now I need two sides of a new 5 1/4" flippy disk. Hard to get one these days.

    Wow! That brings back some memories. Did you ever cut the little square out of a single sided floppy to make it a double sided? My friend had a special tool just to do that.

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    • (Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Monday June 12 2017, @12:48PM

      by c0lo (156) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 12 2017, @12:48PM (#524340) Journal

      Did you ever cut the little square out of a single sided floppy to make it a double sided?

      Yeap. With mixed success.

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    • (Score: 3, Touché) by SDRefugee on Monday June 12 2017, @03:52PM (4 children)

      by SDRefugee (4477) on Monday June 12 2017, @03:52PM (#524452)

      heh you wanna feel REALLY old?? Have your first computer use 8" floppy disks..

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      • (Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Monday June 12 2017, @04:13PM (3 children)

        by AthanasiusKircher (5291) on Monday June 12 2017, @04:13PM (#524466) Journal

        [Cue creaky old-timer voice...]

        "Back in MY day, we didn't have no stinkin' floppies. We had to use a damn tape, and it took a half hour to load a program!"

        [Cue even creakier old-timer...]

        "TAPE?! You had TAPE? I used to stay up all night feeding punch cards into the mainframe. Damn chad littered on the floor everywhere..."

        • (Score: 2) by choose another one on Monday June 12 2017, @04:58PM (2 children)

          by choose another one (515) Subscriber Badge on Monday June 12 2017, @04:58PM (#524498)

          [ Cue ghost of dead old timer]
          What's with this punch card stuff, we used to toggle in the operating system on the front panel switches (well, some of us)...

          • (Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Monday June 12 2017, @10:21PM (1 child)

            by Bot (3902) on Monday June 12 2017, @10:21PM (#524689) Journal

            I overclocked my abacus with mineral oil. Unfortunately it's become unstable, less friction means it gets easy to accidentally misplace beads.

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            • (Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday June 12 2017, @10:51PM

              by Gaaark (41) on Monday June 12 2017, @10:51PM (#524701) Journal

              Muh fingers have arthritis from counting on them too much....both ways and in a snowstorm! Or something.

              ...where'd I put muh teeth?

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