The Lubuntu 17.04 Desktop/Live CD(ISO) is missing the package: net-tools[1]
It's troubling to find a LiveCD today that does not have something as simple as netstat and other important tools available.
It's also quite pathetic to discover the recent Debian LiveCDs are missing UFW[2].
[1] "This package includes the important tools for controlling the network subsystem of the Linux kernel. This includes arp, ifconfig, netstat, rarp, nameif and route."
[2] "The Uncomplicated FireWall is a front-end for iptables, to make managing a Netfilter firewall easier. It provides a command line interface with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter. It is particularly well-suited as a host-based firewall."
[Ed note: Assuming one has an internet connection, can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing? Is this just whining on the part of the submitter or an actual shortcoming? What are your thoughts on this?]
(Score: 3, Funny) by c0lo on Monday June 12 2017, @12:27PM (15 children)
...groan... now I need two sides of a new 5 1/4" flippy disk. Hard to get one these days.
(old grin).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 12 2017, @12:35PM (7 children)
LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
(Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Monday June 12 2017, @12:53PM (6 children)
Sorry, that's not a typo, it's a proper term.
You take a 1-sides floppy, cut a notch on the other side of the envelope, flip it around and, finger crossed, hope it's a good enough quality to work as a double-sided floppy.
There you have it [wikipedia.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 12 2017, @02:37PM (5 children)
I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days. I used very few 5 1/4 inch disks - almost everything I ever owned that used floppies used 3 1/2. I didn't know that the larger disks could be "flipped".
(Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Monday June 12 2017, @04:03PM
I remember flipping floppies frequently, as well as having one of the "punchers" to convert a single-sided disk to double-sided.
However, I'm not sure how common the "flippy" appellation was. I vaguely remember it being used casually as slang, and a quick Google search from old documents seems to indicate "flippy" or "flippy disk" often appeared in quotation marks the small number of times it comes up. I don't ever remember it being used in ads or manuals, etc., so I'm not sure how "proper" the term was. (I could be wrong, though -- it was a long time ago.)
I generally just called them double-sided floppies, as I think did most people.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Monday June 12 2017, @04:49PM
I'm 37 and remember using 5.25 quite often in the 80's. Even into the 90's as every PC up to my 486 had a 5.25.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 12 2017, @09:12PM
To make you feel better - I also used punch-cards in an attempt to write a program. It never ran, too many typos, gave up after 3 attempts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 13 2017, @01:28AM (1 child)
The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 13 2017, @02:08AM
I used them.
If you want to get really-really back into the history:
1. did you ever used a PDP-11?
2. did you ever used punch cards? (IBM-360)
I'd be answering in the positive for both (no, I'm not that old, but programmers in a former communist country couldn't quite be choosers in their time).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by jasassin on Monday June 12 2017, @12:42PM (6 children)
Wow! That brings back some memories. Did you ever cut the little square out of a single sided floppy to make it a double sided? My friend had a special tool just to do that.
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(Score: 3, Touché) by c0lo on Monday June 12 2017, @12:48PM
Yeap. With mixed success.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 3, Touché) by SDRefugee on Monday June 12 2017, @03:52PM (4 children)
heh you wanna feel REALLY old?? Have your first computer use 8" floppy disks..
America should be proud of Edward Snowden, the hero, whether they know it or not..
(Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Monday June 12 2017, @04:13PM (3 children)
[Cue creaky old-timer voice...]
"Back in MY day, we didn't have no stinkin' floppies. We had to use a damn tape, and it took a half hour to load a program!"
[Cue even creakier old-timer...]
"TAPE?! You had TAPE? I used to stay up all night feeding punch cards into the mainframe. Damn chad littered on the floor everywhere..."
(Score: 2) by choose another one on Monday June 12 2017, @04:58PM (2 children)
[ Cue ghost of dead old timer]
What's with this punch card stuff, we used to toggle in the operating system on the front panel switches (well, some of us)...
(Score: 3, Funny) by Bot on Monday June 12 2017, @10:21PM (1 child)
I overclocked my abacus with mineral oil. Unfortunately it's become unstable, less friction means it gets easy to accidentally misplace beads.
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(Score: 2) by Gaaark on Monday June 12 2017, @10:51PM
Muh fingers have arthritis from counting on them too much....both ways and in a snowstorm! Or something.
...where'd I put muh teeth?
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