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The Lubuntu 17.04 Desktop/Live CD(ISO) is missing the package: net-tools[1]
It's troubling to find a LiveCD today that does not have something as simple as netstat and other important tools available.
It's also quite pathetic to discover the recent Debian LiveCDs are missing UFW[2].
[1] "This package includes the important tools for controlling the network subsystem of the Linux kernel. This includes arp, ifconfig, netstat, rarp, nameif and route."
[2] "The Uncomplicated FireWall is a front-end for iptables, to make managing a Netfilter firewall easier. It provides a command line interface with syntax similar to OpenBSD's Packet Filter. It is particularly well-suited as a host-based firewall."
[Ed note: Assuming one has an internet connection, can't one just do something along the lines of apt-get $package_name to fill in what is missing? Is this just whining on the part of the submitter or an actual shortcoming? What are your thoughts on this?]
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 12 2017, @12:35PM (7 children)
LOL - let me google for "flippy disk". I know, no fair poking fun at a typo, but I couldn't resist. ;^)
(Score: 4, Informative) by c0lo on Monday June 12 2017, @12:53PM (6 children)
Sorry, that's not a typo, it's a proper term.
You take a 1-sides floppy, cut a notch on the other side of the envelope, flip it around and, finger crossed, hope it's a good enough quality to work as a double-sided floppy.
There you have it [wikipedia.org]
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 2) by Runaway1956 on Monday June 12 2017, @02:37PM (5 children)
I guess I'm not as old as I feel some days. I used very few 5 1/4 inch disks - almost everything I ever owned that used floppies used 3 1/2. I didn't know that the larger disks could be "flipped".
(Score: 2) by AthanasiusKircher on Monday June 12 2017, @04:03PM
I remember flipping floppies frequently, as well as having one of the "punchers" to convert a single-sided disk to double-sided.
However, I'm not sure how common the "flippy" appellation was. I vaguely remember it being used casually as slang, and a quick Google search from old documents seems to indicate "flippy" or "flippy disk" often appeared in quotation marks the small number of times it comes up. I don't ever remember it being used in ads or manuals, etc., so I'm not sure how "proper" the term was. (I could be wrong, though -- it was a long time ago.)
I generally just called them double-sided floppies, as I think did most people.
(Score: 2) by LoRdTAW on Monday June 12 2017, @04:49PM
I'm 37 and remember using 5.25 quite often in the 80's. Even into the 90's as every PC up to my 486 had a 5.25.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Monday June 12 2017, @09:12PM
To make you feel better - I also used punch-cards in an attempt to write a program. It never ran, too many typos, gave up after 3 attempts.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 13 2017, @01:28AM (1 child)
The real test when measuring age by floppy disks is if you even know that 8" disks exist, let alone used one.
(Score: 2) by c0lo on Tuesday June 13 2017, @02:08AM
I used them.
If you want to get really-really back into the history:
1. did you ever used a PDP-11?
2. did you ever used punch cards? (IBM-360)
I'd be answering in the positive for both (no, I'm not that old, but programmers in a former communist country couldn't quite be choosers in their time).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aoFiw2jMy-0 https://soylentnews.org/~MichaelDavidCrawford