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posted by takyon on Wednesday June 14 2017, @04:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the no-baseball-jokes dept.

A gunman opened fire at U.S. Congressmen and others who were gathered at a practice this morning for the Congressional Baseball Game. House Majority Whip Steve Scalise and at least four others were reportedly injured. The gunman, who has been identified by unnamed sources as James T. Hodgkinson III, was taken to a local hospital where he died from his injuries:

A gunman unleashed a barrage of gunfire Wednesday at a park in Alexandria, Va., as Republican members of Congress held a morning baseball practice, wounding at least five people, including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (La.).

The suspected gunman is James T. Hodgkinson III, 66, from Illinois, according to multiple law enforcement sources. President Trump announced that the gunman, who was wounded in a shootout with officers, has died at an area hospital.

The wounded also included two Capitol Police officers and a congressional aide, according to one law enforcement official and witness accounts.

Congressman Scalise was shot in the hip and is in stable condition.

Hodgkinson's motive may have already been identified by the media:

A Facebook page belonging to a person with the same name includes pictures of Democratic presidential candidate, Bernie Sanders, and rhetoric against President Trump, including a post that reads: "Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It's Time to Destroy Trump & Co."

Charles Orear, 50, a restaurant manager from St. Louis, said in an interview Wednesday that he became friendly with Hodgkinson during their work together in Iowa on Sanders's campaign. Orear said Hodgkinson was a passionate progressive and showed no signs of violence or malice toward others.

Also at LA Times, Reuters, The Atlantic, The Hill, and CNN.


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 14 2017, @04:44PM (41 children)

    by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 14 2017, @04:44PM (#525499) Journal

    I have personally participated in the inflamed rhetoric that fostered an environment where extreme violence is seen by people on the edge as a legitimate solution to the political problems presented by today's right wing.

    But you know what? Upon sincere reflection, I don't feel bad about it. I recognize the individual moral culpability of saying "yeah, our country would benefit from dead conservatives" prior to someone trying to make dead conservatives. I thought for sure, that if this happened I'd be forced to rethink my positions. And I did, but didn't change my mind afterwards. And I still pretty much think the pseudo-fascist, ethnonationalist edge that has taken over conservative movement of the united states gradually over the last 30 years needs to be excised like a cancer. And that political violence is an inevitable consequence of that edge, because people will want to fight back.

    So I see how shitty it was to believe, but not nearly as shitty as people who'd kill hundreds of thousands of Americans for fucking tax breaks, and try to institute a religious test for immigration. I don't like the position I'm taking, but I like the alternatives I can see even less.

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  • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:02PM (9 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:02PM (#525511)

    I have personally participated in the inflamed rhetoric that fostered an environment where extreme violence is seen by people on the edge as a legitimate solution to the political problems presented by today's left wing.

    But you know what? Upon sincere reflection, I don't feel bad about it. I recognize the individual moral culpability of saying "yeah, our country would benefit from dead liberals" prior to someone trying to make dead liberals. I thought for sure, that if this happened I'd be forced to rethink my positions. And I did, but didn't change my mind afterwards. And I still pretty much think the pseudo-communist, crony-capitalist edge that has taken over the progressive movement of the united states gradually over the last 30 years needs to be excised like a cancer. And that political violence is an inevitable consequence of that edge, because people will want to fight back.

    See? Works both ways. :)

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:12PM (7 children)

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:12PM (#525518) Journal

      "Durr, it works both ways says" the radical centrist.

      "Both the nazis and the people who really don't want to live in a society run by nazis are exactly the same. " He said, very centeredly. "People who don't want to roll over and die for some of the worst scum ever created by a political system, really ought to reflect on what would happen if the people who already want to kill them for existing also wanted to kill them for opposing them"

      Look, I get it. That question bothered me in January, 2016, but as I started seeing actual fucking neo-nazis popping up all over the place, being given completely undue weight in every fucking debate, I started to ask myself, "Where would I have gotten up and fought against the things I heard in 1930s Germany?" and didn't like the answers I saw.

      • (Score: -1, Troll) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:16PM (6 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:16PM (#525519)

        OK, Che, see you on the barricades, right?

        That's one deadly killer keyboard ya got there, Fidel.

        • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:30PM (5 children)

          by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:30PM (#525530) Journal

          Oh, so now in order to be manly, I've not gone far enough. I love that little bait and switch.

          No, I don't actually want to maximize violence, but I've reached the point where I was more-than-willing to condone it for anyone attemtping to bring an end to liberal democracy in the name of protecting a fragile ego from entirely due criticism about bigotry. You guys get rid of your fucking goddamn nazi problem, and I'll go back to pretending you're decent human beings who are merely wrong about some things.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:21PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:21PM (#525569)

            The propaganda has intimately tied them together, their nazi problem is too widespread. The only solution is for the non-nazi conservatives to join the right-leaning liberals in a new party. Democrats and Republicans need to have their super majority swept out from under them. I have not identified as Democrat for a long time, it is too much of a burden being required to maintain certain beliefs in order to belong to a club.

          • (Score: 2) by Arik on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:41PM

            by Arik (4543) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:41PM (#525593) Journal
            "No, I don't actually want to maximize violence, but I've reached the point where I was more-than-willing to condone it for anyone attemtping to bring an end to liberal democracy in the name of protecting a fragile ego from entirely due criticism about bigotry."

            So what you're saying is, punch an anti-fa?

            Really I think you're just trying to be provocative.
            --
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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @07:29PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @07:29PM (#525620)

            You guys get rid of your fucking goddamn nazi problem

            Not the greatest video but it certainly puts "muh white supremacist" [youtube.com] argument in context.

          • (Score: 2) by The Mighty Buzzard on Wednesday June 14 2017, @11:46PM (1 child)

            by The Mighty Buzzard (18) Subscriber Badge <themightybuzzard@proton.me> on Wednesday June 14 2017, @11:46PM (#525734) Homepage Journal

            Our only nazi problem is from the left. Racist, sexist, anti-speech, authoritarian, violent... Yep, that spells fascist to me.

            --
            My rights don't end where your fear begins.
            • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:03AM

              by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:03AM (#525742)

              OMG! I just never thought about it like that

              You good sir have shown me the way. I go forth this evening a changed man and shall walk with my head held high. No more will I accept these socially pressured bonds! I am going to go dust off my neighbor's Trump sign, mow his lawn and get him a muffin basket to apologize for disagreeing with him. I'm going to donate money to Trump's 2020 campaign because truly I am now antifa.

              Thank you Mighty Truth Bearer, please spread your message far and wide so others may learn from your wisdom.

    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by fido_dogstoyevsky on Wednesday June 14 2017, @10:49PM

      by fido_dogstoyevsky (131) <axehandleNO@SPAMgmail.com> on Wednesday June 14 2017, @10:49PM (#525703)

      I have personally participated in the inflamed rhetoric that fostered an environment where extreme violence is seen by people on the edge as a legitimate solution to the political problems presented by today's left wing.

      Which would only make sense if the US today had a left.

      --
      It's NOT a conspiracy... it's a plot.
  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:03PM

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:03PM (#525512)

    Here you go everyone, this is human nature at work. Violence begets violence, and everyone moves to the more extreme edges of their personal beliefs. I am a little shocked but I really shouldn't be surprised that Trump's rhetoric of hate has actually impacted those who oppose him as well.

    It takes real effort to deal with these emotions. Self reflection and a conscious choice to avoid hatred is a real thing. You can let the hatred grow, relishing the emotional high of righteous anger, but that is exactly what got us where we are now. Conservatives have been played for decades, their anger stoked by masterful propaganda. You can already see the propaganda rolling now, the last two "liberal" attackers have been immediately correlated with Sanders. It is a two-for-one, no longer are conservatives the only ones who get truly violent and they are correlated with Sanders who would probably have a landslide victory in 2020. But now his name is being tied to terrorist attacks, so all the moderate conservatives will subconsciously recoil back to the right.

    It is almost as if there is a concerted effort to stoke internal conflict to weaken the US. Uh oh, here comes the "C" word.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:09PM (3 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:09PM (#525514)

    I have personally participated in the inflamed rhetoric that fostered an environment where extreme violence is seen by people on the edge as a legitimate solution to the political problems presented by today's right wing.

    Well, that's exactly what we're seeing.

    pseudo-fascist, ethnonationalist edge that has taken over conservative movement of the united states gradually over the last 30 years needs to be excised like a cancer.

    You're insane!

    And that political violence is an inevitable consequence of that edge, because people will want to fight back.

    Terrorism is what will lead the fascist state that only currently exists in your fevered imagination. Is that what you want, all for the purpose of being able to morally justify your toxic position with your ego?

    • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:33PM (2 children)

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:33PM (#525584)

      We are in the fascist state, it just hasn't reached critical levels. How we handle the upcoming civil unrest will decide whether we edge back towards our original values or into the gaping maw of fear and fascism that many would like to send us into.

      I've been very glad to see some recent pushback against the fascist policies, but violent crazies are likely to give the evil people all the justification they need to clamp down. I think conservatives are actually in a better position to stand against the fascists, so don't react in fear please! Instead react like freedom loving adults who are brave enough to stand up for what is right in the face of fascists trying to manipulate them.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:39PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:39PM (#525686)

        I think conservatives are actually in a better position to stand against the fascists, so don't react in fear please!

        I agree, however when the far-left even labels moderates as 'fascist' and better adjusted people don't call them out, then there is a serious problem.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @11:30PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @11:30PM (#525724)

          We gotta be there to call em' out. I'm a hermit but I'll speak up if I see some of this bullshit flying around.

          We need thousands and thousands of public mediators. Perhaps a new branch to local police. They only carry non-lethal protection and they can mediate any public argument.

  • (Score: 2) by NewNic on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:37PM (13 children)

    by NewNic (6420) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:37PM (#525532) Journal

    Just as this incident achieves nothing positive, drone kills of DAESH leaders in the middle east solves nothing. There is always someone else waiting to step into the shoes of the dead person and followers now inflamed and more motivated to fight back.

    --
    lib·er·tar·i·an·ism ˌlibərˈterēənizəm/ noun: Magical thinking that useful idiots mistake for serious political theory
    • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:52PM (12 children)

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:52PM (#525546) Journal

      Yeah, but the right wing has been "fighting back" against a harmless center-left as if they're a violent and fringy left for ages. They don't have any tactics left to uncork. I guess maybe they'll benefit from that same center-left falling all over itself to attack itself for being "too left" as if that's what caused the situation of hopelessness and sincere despair for America that provoked this.

      Thing is, I don't think anyone who wants to oppose political violence is wrong to do so. I just think we've reached a point where political violence is an inevitability, and far less morally indefensible than it used to be, it makes sense to fight people who want to kill you.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:15PM (11 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:15PM (#525564)

        Thing is, I don't think anyone who wants to oppose political violence is wrong to do so. I just think we've reached a point where political violence is an inevitability, and far less morally indefensible than it used to be, it makes sense to fight people who want to kill you.

        Promotion of political violence (terrorism) is morally and intellectually indefensible in a non-authoritarian, democratic society. You are not living in Venezuela.

        • (Score: 3, Interesting) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:19PM (8 children)

          by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:19PM (#525566) Journal

          Eh, considering that I'm gerrymandered as fuck where I live, such that votes in my state have literally been the inverse of electoral results, might as well be.

          You can pretend that republicans haven't been systemically dismantling democracy, among their many other authoritarian tendencies, but that is, at best, deluded.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:29PM (7 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:29PM (#525580)

            It's the same for conservatives living in metropolitan areas. There's little difference between republicans and democrats when it comes to authoritarianism; only in the presentation. The left definitely has better PR. This is why, despite the unfavorable disparity in statist murder rates, you have streets full of communists yelling "nazi" at centrists.

            • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:40PM (6 children)

              by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:40PM (#525591) Journal

              No, fuck that. Republicans are at least slightly over-represented in like 95% of legislative bodies in this country, with only like Maryland and Illinois as notable inverses, which much smaller effect sizes.

              The fact that there are districts where majorities exist is not the same as engineered systems where 50.5% of people in a state can vote for democrats, and 10 out of 13 seats go to republicans. This is why "both sides are bad" is so goddamn stupid. One side can be affirmatively dismantling democracy, and the other side can have a normal fucking electoral system, and partisan assholes will pretend that the former aren't authoritarian shitheads.

              • (Score: 4, Insightful) by Arik on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:52PM (4 children)

                by Arik (4543) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:52PM (#525600) Journal
                The thing is, nearly half of what you post is really pretty good, spot on stuff. Gerrymandering is a big problem. But then you always go that final step to full retard. In this example, you honestly seem to think that Republicans are the only ones that do this! I grew up in a Republican district in a Democrat state. The Democratic government took a map and carved this wierd shape with just certain parts of 5 different districts to make sure all the Republicans were together and couldn't 'mess up' the surrounding elections. And, more recently of course, we have seen the DNC emails that detail how they deliberately rendered Democracy a farce in their own most recent Presidential Primaries of course. Somehow none of this makes any impression on you though, all Evil is Republican and all Republicans are Evil, right?

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                • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 14 2017, @07:25PM (1 child)

                  by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 14 2017, @07:25PM (#525616) Journal

                  The stupid DNC primary thing makes no sense as a serious charge on even slightly sincere analysis.

                  Sanders would've won. Clinton was the single worst possible candidate the party could have put forward out of anyone alive recently holding national office. Clinton was the favorite of the party leadership. These are all true statements.

                  Everything after it is basically conspiracy bullshit. I don't know what you think was exposed in the emails, but the way you describe it to me, it reads like you think there was some kind of vote rigging or money-shifting that didn't happen.

                  And yes, as of 2016, pretty much all republicans are vile anti-democracy pieces of shit with no redeeming features to speak of. 20 years ago, they were mostly just obsessive partisans. 30 years ago, they were pretty close to decent politicians I'd have disagreed with.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:12AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:12AM (#525753)

                    30 years ago, they were pretty close to decent politicians I'd have disagreed with.

                    Decent politicians do not support the war on drugs. That's 'strike one, you're out' territory.

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:27PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:27PM (#525653)

                  we have seen the DNC emails that detail how they deliberately rendered Democracy a farce in their own most recent Presidential Primaries

                  In the last week, rank and file Donkeys as well as non-aligned Progressives have been pushing for a New Wave movement. [google.com]

                  -- OriginalOwner_ [soylentnews.org]

                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:14PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:14PM (#525988)

                  Abuses of power are normal and should be expected.
                  The 2 party game is a massive distraction you fools. DFL = heavy smoking. GOP = arsenic. Both kill you.

                  Fascism is Italian and it stands for corporate governance heavy in authoritarianism -- we are already there NOW, we just haven't progressed to mirror past implementations... even if we to achieve the same level as historical examples or surpass them, our implementation will not look exactly the same. Racism is not an essential ingredient for example. The reason the GOP is usually worse is because corporatism is practically their religion. (Hell, just quoting most of Jesus gets you labeled a socialist.)

                  The DFL is less corrupted; however it is still corrupted. Both will try to game systems for power, but today it's a good cop vs bad cop with both parties functionally working towards the same ends. The DFL is the good cop; but still part of the problem. Now some fools think the GOP is the good cop; but other than showing how gullible they are-- it's really no different than two people fighting over which method of suicide is smarter....

              • (Score: 3, Informative) by bob_super on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:56PM

                by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:56PM (#525602)

                In the false equivalence category, the Dem side is not the one dismantling protections for the people, nature, and global agreements proudly in the pursuit of selfish profits.

                I do have to applaud Kansas Republicans for noticing their ideology pushed to the extreme did put them in major trouble. May the Federal Republicans learn...

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:05AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:05AM (#525746)

          So you agree that Trump should be impeached then? Cause that is his position. No take backsies once the videos are on the intertubes!

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:08AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:08AM (#525751)

          We live in an undemocratic authoritarian society, though. We have a two party system that causes many people to vote for the one they see as the lesser evil; not much democracy in that. We also have a society where the government conducts unconstitutional mass surveillance on the populace, hires thugs to violate people's rights at airports, allows police to get away with violating our rights, infringes upon our fundamental right to control our own bodies by disallowing us from ingesting certain substances, and where the government is fighting countless useless wars overseas. That's plenty authoritarian, even if there are even worse countries.

          I don't support the violence, but we simply do not live in a non-authoritarian democratic society.

  • (Score: 2) by bradley13 on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:51PM (6 children)

    by bradley13 (3053) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:51PM (#525545) Homepage Journal

    "I still pretty much think the pseudo-fascist, ethnonationalist edge that has taken over conservative movement of the united states gradually over the last 30 years needs to be excised like a cancer."

    Of course, the people you are talking about think that the self-righteous, hypocritical progressive edge that has taken over the liberal movement of the united states gradually over the last years needs to be excised like a cancer.

    And those two views pretty much sum up the problem: Each side now regards the other as a group that can no longer be tolerated or lived with. It appears that most of the violence at the moment comes from the left, but that won't last. Pretty soon, both sides will be going at it. The left can ultimately call on the police forces and maybe parts of the military. The right has more guns, and knows how to use them. Civil war, anyone?

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    • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:59PM (5 children)

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:59PM (#525550) Journal

      No, the problem is definitely with the side loading themselves with white nationalists, not the "self-righteous" people who notice and condemn that. Your attitude is exactly why I view political violence as an increasing inevitability.

      You need to learn the difference between "trying to improve society by recognizing problems" and "being self-righteous". Except you seem constitutionally incapable of it which is why we need less of you.

      • (Score: 4, Touché) by bradley13 on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:11PM (3 children)

        by bradley13 (3053) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:11PM (#525560) Homepage Journal

        The best way to improve society is my way, not your way, because I'm so much better and smarter than you. And if you get...hurt...along the way, well, that's just fine.

        You think I'm speaking for the alt-right, when I'm actually just paraphrasing you. Or do you still not see the problem?

        --
        Everyone is somebody else's weirdo.
        • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:42PM (1 child)

          by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:42PM (#525595) Journal

          "Don't you see, pointing out my massive failing that I refuse to do anything about is like saying you're better than me for no reason?"

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @07:57PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @07:57PM (#525635)

            First do no harm

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:42PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:42PM (#525659)

          It isn't "my way / your way", a lot of the issues are basic human rights issues. Freedom to exist issues. Factually verifiable issues that conservatives want to ignore.

          Sorry bud, but conservatives have gone full retard and promote outlandish propaganda to justify their world view. There is only so much factually incorrect "but this is my choice / opinion" bullshit the world can take.

          Conservatives do have some decent views, but as a group they are triggered emotional crazies denying facts. So yes, you get some arrogant "stop your bullshit" attitudes. The problems you see with liberals are simply not in the same ballpark as the problems conservatives have. Conservatives FEAR that liberals will do fascist things, but there are actual conservative types going around committing crimes and promoting racism / bigotry / xenophobia.

          You can't equate possibilities with actualities.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @08:44AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @08:44AM (#525917)

        I'm white. You leftists are trying to genocide me by importing millions of muslims. Heck yeah I'll throw my lot in with the white nationalists. I like to survive. I have children and will have grandchildren, unlike the typical leftist, and I'd like them to survive too. I'm also not liking the fact that race means my kids need extra-high test scores to get into good colleges and the fact that race will keep them from many scholarships.

        You started the hate. I'm not going to ignore it. Back down, and I will do likewise.

  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @07:43PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @07:43PM (#525629)

    Dehumanization is a terrifying viscous circle indeed. Churchill was right about the future fascists, they do literally call themselves anti-fascists.

    • (Score: 2) by ikanreed on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:47PM (3 children)

      by ikanreed (3164) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:47PM (#525689) Journal

      You know that churchill quote was literally made up by fascists right? And not even that long ago?

      No, I'm guessing you don't. If I had one thing to say to republicans to make me stop thinking they deserve violence it's this: stop believing unabashed neonazi propoganda as truth, while dismissing credible professional reporting as lies. If you did that, you could get rid of the fucking Nazi problem.

      But again and again I see it from you people, literal neonazis are easier to believe than things that might, maybe, if you assume enough, be construed to be liberal.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @11:49PM (1 child)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @11:49PM (#525736)

        You know that churchill quote was literally made up by fascists right? And not even that long ago?

        As recently as 1937? [quoteinvestigator.com]

        you could get rid of the fucking Nazi problem.

        If you're seeing National Socialists everywhere, you're probably the one that needs to stop listening to propaganda.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @04:11AM

          by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @04:11AM (#525867)

          http://standuptohate.blogspot.com/p/winston-churchill-and-anti-fascist.html [blogspot.com]

          So not Churchill, even by your quote investigator. The site I linked explains what is really going on. I look at the actions and the conservative politics are much more about anti-freedom and also where all the prop dictatorship talk is coming from. Liberals are not the fascist bogeymen, conservatives just can't stand being on the losing side of this cultural war. Bigotry is out, if they could just come to grips with that then they wouldn't get so much anger from the more extreme liberals.

          Disingenuous conservative propaganda as usual, THEY'RE the fascists waaaaa.

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:46AM

        by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:46AM (#525835)

        credible professional reporting

        I would like you to link to one example of this. Go on, just one link. I dare you. I double-dog dare you.