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posted by takyon on Wednesday June 14 2017, @04:15PM   Printer-friendly
from the no-baseball-jokes dept.

A gunman opened fire at U.S. Congressmen and others who were gathered at a practice this morning for the Congressional Baseball Game. House Majority Whip Steve Scalise and at least four others were reportedly injured. The gunman, who has been identified by unnamed sources as James T. Hodgkinson III, was taken to a local hospital where he died from his injuries:

A gunman unleashed a barrage of gunfire Wednesday at a park in Alexandria, Va., as Republican members of Congress held a morning baseball practice, wounding at least five people, including House Majority Whip Steve Scalise (La.).

The suspected gunman is James T. Hodgkinson III, 66, from Illinois, according to multiple law enforcement sources. President Trump announced that the gunman, who was wounded in a shootout with officers, has died at an area hospital.

The wounded also included two Capitol Police officers and a congressional aide, according to one law enforcement official and witness accounts.

Congressman Scalise was shot in the hip and is in stable condition.

Hodgkinson's motive may have already been identified by the media:

A Facebook page belonging to a person with the same name includes pictures of Democratic presidential candidate, Bernie Sanders, and rhetoric against President Trump, including a post that reads: "Trump is a Traitor. Trump Has Destroyed Our Democracy. It's Time to Destroy Trump & Co."

Charles Orear, 50, a restaurant manager from St. Louis, said in an interview Wednesday that he became friendly with Hodgkinson during their work together in Iowa on Sanders's campaign. Orear said Hodgkinson was a passionate progressive and showed no signs of violence or malice toward others.

Also at LA Times, Reuters, The Atlantic, The Hill, and CNN.


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  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Lagg on Wednesday June 14 2017, @04:54PM (69 children)

    by Lagg (105) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @04:54PM (#525505) Homepage Journal

    I'd rather call for recreation-only gun usage, but at this point I'd also be fine with an ozzie style forced buyout. Because my willfully ignorant countrymen made them incredibly unfun to think about. Shame too. I like them. But I don't believe that most of my country can be trusted to see them as tools to be respected. If you give a kid a toy he stabs another kid with, you take it away. I know this is the part at which people like to say "so you support a nanny state". But naaah, you already know that's not true.

    and naaaaaah. Why would I discuss media with someone right now? I already got tricked by that. When people say "media" now they really mean "that station that feeds me propaganda I don't like".

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  • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:02PM (2 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:02PM (#525510)
    We should have firearms and immigration restrictions on guys. So far >90% of terrorists and shooters have been male. And this and many incidents prove it's not just the male Muslims who go about killing people for stupid reasons.

    e.g. only girls can have guns (and only after training and proof that they can consistently and accurately hit a target). If a guy wants to have a gun he has to have his balls removed first.
    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @10:32PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @10:32PM (#525699)

      Will the NRA provide free marksmanship training to liberals?

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @08:52AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @08:52AM (#525918)

      > So far >90% of terrorists and shooters have been male.

      They've also been overwhelmingly Democrat.

  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by jmorris on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:08PM (65 children)

    by jmorris (4844) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:08PM (#525513)

    Ballots are more dangerous than a gun. So lets remove the vote from anyone you are deciding is too childlike to be entrusted with adult responsibilities. Oh right, that was always the Prog plan. The first gun control laws were tied into the same efforts to disenfranchise 'those people' who aren't deserving of the full rights and privileges of real God fearing American white people. Democrats haven't changed much.

    And boy do I love being proved right. Notice when the calls for gun control occur and when they do not. Gang bangers in Chicago every freaking weekend are just "n*gg*rs killing other n*gg*rs" so that isn't even newsworthy enough to get the saturation coverage required for you guys to work in a gun control theme, but when some cracker in DC gets wounded the blood isn't sprayed off the field before you guys are calling for gun control. Even when it is a Republican getting shot by a Bernie Bro. You can't help yourselves.

    • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:39PM (32 children)

      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:39PM (#525535) Journal

      As usual you have it precisely backwards, J-Mo. Wanna know how to get the GOP onto gun control? Mention the Black Panthers. *That* is what was behind several stronger gun-control laws.

      It's amazing how you manage to be not only wrong, but exactly, precisely, completely mirror-image ass-backwards. Were you born this way, or is it a lifestyle choice?

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      • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:43PM (29 children)

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:43PM (#525540)

        I still hold to the idea that he is a russian troll account, or some other organization, waging a propaganda war against US citizens. I simply can not figure out another explanation for a seemingly intelligent person who has demonstrated advanced technical knowledge yet fails so hard as you point out. Not just once, but pretty much every single time a political angle comes up his views are factually incorrect to a shocking degree.

        I guess I don't want to believe that a human is capable of such stupidity without an actual disability.

        • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by julian on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:06PM (12 children)

          by julian (6003) Subscriber Badge on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:06PM (#525555)

          This is a pretty obscure website with low traffic, I don't think they'd bother. Sadly, the simplest explanation is that he's one of our overnumerous indigenous nutters.

          You certainly can be incredibly skilled and also deluded. One of the greatest living geneticists, Francis Collins, became a fundamentalist Christian because a frozen waterfall told him to.

          • (Score: 2, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:20PM (10 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:20PM (#525567)

            You certainly can be incredibly skilled and also deluded. One of the greatest living geneticists, Francis Collins, became a fundamentalist Christian because a frozen waterfall told him to.

            I think that's actually the most rational explanation or excuse for converting to Christianity I've ever heard.

            • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:48PM (9 children)

              by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:48PM (#525597)

              I'm pretty sure that "Because the (white) guy with the weapons told me to" has been the most rational reason to convert for quite a few centuries.

              • (Score: 2) by edIII on Wednesday June 14 2017, @07:59PM (5 children)

                by edIII (791) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @07:59PM (#525637)

                You got that wrong.

                It's because "the (white) person who was handing me food, clothing, and helping me with shelter couldn't shut the fuck up about it". Starvation is the penultimate form of duress, suffocation being the ultimate. Some people refused to convert or confess their sins in the Inquisition, but it's a much easier route when you're smiling and feeding people ;)

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                • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:06PM

                  by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:06PM (#525641)

                  Yes those methods were used as well, but they started with guns. "We're gonna move in here and do what we want, try and mess with us and you die." Then they bring in the priests for the slightly more subtle tactics.

                • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:09PM (3 children)

                  by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:09PM (#525666)

                  > handing me food, clothing, and helping me with shelter

                  Are you referring to poor people in civilized societies, who only massively converted during invasion (or King strategic decisions), but otherwise starved while already praying the local god?
                  Are you referring to a convenient myth that colonizers were actually helping locals with food, clothes and shelter?

                  Because, "Hey, it's this way to pray unless you want it to be your last prayer" vastly outnumbers both of the above.

                  • (Score: 2) by KGIII on Wednesday June 14 2017, @11:39PM (2 children)

                    by KGIII (5261) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @11:39PM (#525730) Journal

                    That seems numerically unlikely, given population totals, time, and the breadth of missionary coverage.

                    I don't suppose you have a citation?

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                    • (Score: 2) by bob_super on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:29AM (1 child)

                      by bob_super (1357) on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:29AM (#525772)

                      http://i.imgur.com/rzv85dn.png [imgur.com]

                      Which ones of these regions was never conquered by force by someone bringing their one true religion in their luggage?
                      Maybe the US/Canada/Australia, because the locals ended up mostly dead anyway, and that's only if we don't count the people brought against their will, then encouraged to worship right...

                      • (Score: 2) by KGIII on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:36AM

                        by KGIII (5261) on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:36AM (#525777) Journal

                        I see you missed my point. Numerically, they are happily converting people even today. It's not like they stopped converting people in the 1800s. They are still bribing hungry souls for Jesus, and on a very large scale. Hell, you probably have a religious soup kitchen, right there in your town.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:12PM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:12PM (#525669)

                White? Try Latino. Cortez. Junipero Serra. Coronado. etc.

                • (Score: 2, Informative) by bob_super on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:27PM (1 child)

                  by bob_super (1357) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:27PM (#525679)

                  *facepalm*
                  *headdesk*
                  *wondering if kidding, re-reads, no hints ...*
                  *second headdesk, just in case*
                  *cleans keyboard*
                  Spanish people, like the English, French, Dutch, italians, greeks and most other world-wide colonizers (Sorry Genghis!), are white.

                  The fact that they later bred with any woman they saw, regardless of skin color, whether they were local "indians" or they had to import them across the ocean, doesn't change the fact that the colonizers of America, Africa, and huge chunks of Asia, were predominantly white, including all the ones you named.

                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:51AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:51AM (#525784)

                    Some Spaniards are very white. Most are somewhat less white. Many more are descended from black and white mixes. But, whatever.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:19PM

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:19PM (#525650)

            The small size of the site's user base is actually perfect for such activity and has a snowball effect. Due to the "fuck beta" motivation behind this site the user base also has a higher proportion of viable targets.

            Maybe he is a shill and maybe he isn't, but I think it is very important to keep the possibility in mind. We KNOW there are thousands of trolls being paid to actively push agendas and undermine others. Why would a government not spare a tiny bit of effort for this site? The grassroots feel and the common "we're too small to bother with" actually lends credibility!!

        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:37PM (11 children)

          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:37PM (#525589) Journal

          He's not a Russian shill, and he's not stupid-as-in-low-IQ either. Accept the fact that evil walks among us, and wears a human face. This is a person who has confessed to wanting to burn the entire system down, whose vocabulary is full of "cuck" and similar alt-reich memes, and who is very clearly in it for no one and nothing but himself. Search his post history; you'll find some hair-raising shit in there.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:15PM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:15PM (#525647)

            Yes evil is out there, but the weird juxtaposition of statements seems more than just authoritarian racist bullshit. Conservatives have been pretty well radicalized as a group, so now it seems like conservative viewpoints are being used to bait liberals into radicalization. The posts make more sense from the perspective that they are solely intended to piss off liberals. Valid points don't matter, and discussions are simply platforms to continue the propaganda and piss people off even more. Successfully baiting a liberal into a discussion is the end-game. Queue more and more bullshit in attempts to get a reaction.

            If he isn't a foreign propagandist then he is a complete troll, and as he admitted he was trying to bait people with his initial post of predictions. I can only hope that one day we move past this politically volatile time and everyone just starts ignoring the online trolls.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:24PM

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:24PM (#525674) Journal

              Well, yes, he *is* a troll, but that's not his entire MO. Trolls mostly just do it for the lulz. This keyboard Keystone Kop probably thinks he's advancing the cause of--what was it, again?--burning the lot down and starting fresh.

              I have to wonder what his BMI is, if he has a job, and how many weird action figures he has.

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          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @08:07AM (8 children)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @08:07AM (#525913)

            I found the "cuck" term horrifying at first. I happen to value and respect virginity and marriage. I think a person ought to have exactly 1 sex partner in life, with allowance for widows of course. I'm not OK with the idea that a man should "sow his oats"; that is a shameful and disgusting man-slut to me. Cheating isn't OK for either sex, for either the married person or the homewreaker.

            There are however some disturbing truths about liberals that, taken in total, seem to merit the term.

            Conservatives are basically never OK with being cuckolded. The few people who are OK with it are universally liberal.

            Cuckoldry also works pretty well as a metaphor for handing over your descendant's birthright to people who bear no relation to you. In a place like Germany, the natives have something like 1 kid per woman. Hostile immigrants are brought in to replace the native population. Perhaps "ethnic cleansing" or "self-genocide" is a less icky term, but "cuck" works pretty well. The nation will have children, but on average they will not be fathered by the nation's men. This is a sort of national cuckoldry. German natives will go extinct. Oddly, this decrease in diversity does not trouble the left; the left truly hates western civilization and the European race.

            • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday June 15 2017, @08:38AM (3 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday June 15 2017, @08:38AM (#525915) Journal

              Holy damn that's a lotta crazy. Given your sexual hangups no wonder you're nuts; you're sublimating all that into defense of the fatherland, as it were. Here's a hint: leftists don't like being cuckolded either. I'm not sure this applies to lesbian couples, but I'd never cheat on my girlfriend and expect (and know I will receive!) the same consideration from her. Obviously it's missing the kids angle, but yeah.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:23AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:23AM (#525924)

                Most leftists don't like it, but pretty much zero conservatives do.

                To pull numbers from my ass: 175 million conservatives who hate being cuckolded, 174 leftists who hate being cuckolded, and 1 million (under 1%) leftists who are OK with it.

                There may be shades of grey; how furious would one get? Is it an offense that merits cursing, abandonment, killing, or slow and agonizing torture? If we could score this, perhaps on a 1-to-10 scale, and draw up histograms, there would be differences associated with politics.

                I'm not loving the term "cuck" for politics, but it is a workable metaphor. We need a word to describe people who eagerly assist in the extinction (via immigration, etc.) of their own culture, ethnicity, race, nationality, and/or language. It boggles my mind, but there are plenty of leftists on record with this desire. I might never wrap my head around the self-loathing that leads to welcoming one's own genocide.

                The worst thing about the "cuck" term is probably that it seems to originate from the vile PUA (pick-up artist) culture. Oh well.

                • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday June 15 2017, @04:24PM (1 child)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday June 15 2017, @04:24PM (#526079) Journal

                  Dude, seriously...you have some massive psychosexual hangups here. Your insistence on one partner for life is bizarre, and I say this as the living embodiment of the "U-Haul Joke" who only ever wanted the same thing for herself. Maybe that works for you (and me) but I don't think most humans are naturally mate for life types and we don't have a right to force that on other people.

                  Cheating is a different matter entirely. I don't think, though, that it deserves torture or death. I *do* think it's justified grounds for instant termination of the relationship, with the cheater getting kicked out on his or her ass, but not death.

                  You touched on something that highlights the disease of the "conservative" mindset though: the cons have two extra parameters in their moral phase-space, those being "in-group loyalty" and "respect for authority qua authority." Now these of course aren't moral; they're useful cognitive shortcuts from the days when rock'n'roll involved a boulder and a hillside and "fast food" was a potential dinner that ran quicker than you did.

                  Point is, that extreme reaction with its undertones of disgust points to you having a dangerously un-adapted mindset for the modern (read: "post-Iron-Age") world we live in. The fact that you conflate personal sexual matters with questions of cultural expansion or takeover, specifically with the fear of having your family line ("in group") snuffed out, is a classic, diagnostic tell of this mindset. They are not the same thing, and you will be a lot mentally healthier once you untangle them.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 16 2017, @01:26AM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 16 2017, @01:26AM (#526290)

                    If my mindset is unadapted for the modern world, then my bloodline will die out. That is how evolution works. Other than survival of descendants, nothing counts.

                    Um... all of my ancestors that I am aware of have had my mindset. I have 11 kids, my parents have 4, my grandparents had 4 and 8, the next generation up had around 7 each, and the one above that includes somebody with 17. All my kids are alive, all my siblings are alive, and 10 out of the 12 in the prior generation are still alive. I have to say, I appear to be well-adapted for the modern world.

                    Now consider a nation-sized group of people. The more they align with my mindset, the more they are able to ensure that their culture (including religion and language) and DNA lives on in future generations. So even looking at larger populations, it is obvious that my mindset is not unadapted to the modern world.

                    Over in Europe, we can see that native Germans are in fact unadapted, while the immigrants to Germany are well-adapted. A more interesting case is Japan, currently shrinking without immigration. It is highly likely that an unnoticed little subset of the Japanese population is in fact reproducing well. If so, this subset will enjoy exponential growth and soon put Japan back on track as a nation with an expanding population.

                    On a long-term basis, the only thing that holds back population growth is death. We are currently in an odd moment in history. We have invented reliable birth control. This is a tremendous selective pressure, so evolution is likely to overcome it very quickly. The only plausible way for evolution to defeat birth control is mental differences. People who strongly desire numerous kids will be selected; they are the ones adapted to our modern world. All the rest are unfit.

                    I can't point to a spot in my DNA and say that I'm therefore fit, but with the large family sizes I sure do show the signs.

            • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:08PM (3 children)

              by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:08PM (#525983) Journal

              Cuckoldry also works pretty well as a metaphor for handing over your descendant's birthright to people who bear no relation to you. In a place like Germany, the natives have something like 1 kid per woman. Hostile immigrants are brought in to replace the native population. Perhaps "ethnic cleansing" or "self-genocide" is a less icky term, but "cuck" works pretty well. The nation will have children, but on average they will not be fathered by the nation's men. This is a sort of national cuckoldry. German natives will go extinct. Oddly, this decrease in diversity does not trouble the left; the left truly hates western civilization and the European race.

              Why do the people hung up on immigration now presume immigration and the tensions surrounding it is a new phenomenon? It's more or less a constant in American history (and perhaps elsewhere, but the rest of the world is beyond scope in this post). Previously it was protestants in America decrying all the Irish and Italian immigrants who would bring their "popery" with them and subvert religious freedom in the United States. Or the Yellow Peril (aka all the Chinese brought in to work on the transcontinental railroad). Yet as it happens those waves of immigrants did come, and they did stay, and the United States of America endures.

              So, there seem to be two general paths to take on the immigration issue: accept that America evolves, and is not a static state. Or, we can acknowledge that all immigration is and always has been a mistake and roll the country back to earlier versions. That means that all current citizens with unacceptable ancestry should self-deport or be sent packing by Immigration. So all the O'Reilly's, DiMaggios, Kennedys, Marilyn Monroes, etc shall have their statues dashed and names stricken from the records. Every Taco Bell shall be razed, every PF Chang's, every Pizza Hut, every Chipotle, every box of pasta shall be purged.

              What's that? Oh, wait, that's not what you meant? That's going too far? Well, unless that is what you're advocating, you're a hypocrite.

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              • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 16 2017, @12:42AM (2 children)

                by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 16 2017, @12:42AM (#526274)

                It's not new, but the level of danger is new. We are facing violent people who are extremely resistant to cultural integration. They self-isolate and self-police the isolation, attacking any of their own to dare to integrate with the surrounding society. They use distinctive clothing restrictions to help enforce this.

                It mostly wasn't like that with prior immigrants. We had minor problems. Some of the German-speaking populations took a century to switch to English. We have lingering problems with a distinct black culture. Right now we are having trouble with Spanish-speaking immigrants; they might be a problem for much longer than the German-speakers due to numbers and due to proximity of a Spanish-speaking country.

                Also, the country is full. We no longer have a western frontier. We have a country full of people, many of them poor and unskilled. Conditions change, and policy should be adjusted as needed.

                • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Friday June 16 2017, @04:48PM (1 child)

                  by Phoenix666 (552) on Friday June 16 2017, @04:48PM (#526505) Journal

                  They self-isolate and self-police the isolation, attacking any of their own to dare to integrate with the surrounding society. They use distinctive clothing restrictions to help enforce this.

                  You mean like Hasidim do [wordondastreet.com]? They have regressive morals (Halacha [momentmag.com]) they try to impose on others and also speak a weird language and dress weird and have been known to riot [nydailynews.com]. They have their own religious police force, the Shomrim [nytimes.com], and run their own ambulances. Surely they must also be forcibly deported according to your definition?

                  It mostly wasn't like that with prior immigrants.

                  It was like that with prior immigrants. Germans were held collectively responsible for WWI. Japanese were sent to concentration camps in WWII; you can still see one at Manzanar in California, east of the Sierras and not far from the entrance to Death Valley.

                  Also, the country is full. We no longer have a western frontier. We have a country full of people, many of them poor and unskilled.

                  The country is full? Where do you live, downtown Chicago? Ever been to North Dakota? You could cram several Europes into that state and still want to shoot yourself in the head to escape the tedium of its landscape.

                  China, which has a much, much greater claim to being 'full' than the United States still has plenty of room for more people because most of those billion Chinese live on about 25% of the total land area.

                  If you chose to go by how much food there is to go around instead of the vast empty acreage America does have, then it could support at least double the number it does because it wastes about half of its food every year.

                  All of which is to say the racially/ethnically/culturally pure America you imagine is achievable has never existed at any point in its history, not even in its pre-history, and moreover you would not recognize or welcome such a country even were you to purge all non-conforming elements. For the rest about what the country is and can do I encourage you to hop in your truck and take an extended drive around and note how really huge America still is.

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                  • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 16 2017, @06:42PM

                    by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 16 2017, @06:42PM (#526560)

                    It does look like the Hasidim are taking active and effective measures to prevent integration into the larger society, so yes. They do not belong.

                    The fact that Germans were held collectively responsible for WWI was not a problem with the Germans; it was a problem with the rest of us. There was at least a benefit though: the Germans quickly ditched the German language. To solve our problems with Spanish, perhaps we need a WWIII that can be blamed on Mexicans.

                    As far as I know, the Japanese hadn't been a problem. The security measures were cruelly excessive.

                    By "full", I don't mean that the addition of more people will cause starvation. I mean that we don't need any more, and the downsides outweigh the upsides. There are no natural resources that are going untapped due to lack of manual labor.

                    We might benefit from a total of a million foreign-born high-value workers (scientists for example), as long as none are from a self-isolating culture and we don't get too many of the same non-English language in the same location. We don't need it though, and if we are politically unable to filter out trouble then we shouldn't bother. Bringing in a few good people isn't worth bringing in hoards of useless people with permanent anti-American hostility.

        • (Score: 2) by Soylentbob on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:34PM (3 children)

          by Soylentbob (6519) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:34PM (#525656)

          I once had a colleague with a masters degree in computer science. One should assume some level of applied logical thinking. After some time we accidentally hit the topic of religion and he turned out to be a creationist. Completely with all the "earth is 6000 years old" and "god just buried those fake dinosaur-bones to test our faith" and so on. Looks like sanity and intelligence are only mildly correlated at best.

          • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:35AM (1 child)

            by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:35AM (#525926)

            likes chess and boxing, has a security clearance, moved from Florida to the DC area, white male with brown hair

            I countered with "Last Thursdayism", a variant of this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omphalos_hypothesis [wikipedia.org]

            • (Score: 2) by Soylentbob on Thursday June 15 2017, @11:30AM

              by Soylentbob (6519) on Thursday June 15 2017, @11:30AM (#525952)

              No, was somewhere here in Germany. I countered that is must be a pretty crappy god to give us brains, plant wrong evidence, tell us to use our talents [wikipedia.org] and then punish us for using brains.

          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:12PM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:12PM (#525985) Journal

            Technical competence does not automatically confer wisdom or perspective. I have an uncle with advanced degrees in chemistry who ran Shell's oil refineries in the Houston area for years. He also is a creationist.

            It makes a strong argument for a liberal arts education.

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      • (Score: 3, Insightful) by jmorris on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:55PM (1 child)

        by jmorris (4844) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:55PM (#525547)

        I don't want to remove the RTKBA from the Black Panthers because they are black, I want most of them in jail because that is where violent felons belong. The rest of the people, rich, poor, white, black, brown, etc., in the Blue Hells that people like them prey upon should be able to carry as a defense against them, who always seem to have firearms regardless how 'strict' the gun laws are btw. Which is kinda obvious, that laws disarm law abiding people but do little to stop the lawless. Especially when law enforcement is given orders to turn a blind eye to certain groups.

        • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:06PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @06:06PM (#525554)

          Oh man you are so deluded by propaganda and have no idea what reality actually is. You are in the matrix, except it isn't sci-fi high tech amazement, it is a matrix of bullshit. You are living in a half-reality of bullshit propaganda, it is terrifying to think that so many people literally believe in a reality that doesn't exist.

          Here I am wasting some bytes on something you won't engage with because it goes against your personal narrative, but here you go anyway: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Panther_Party [wikipedia.org]

          Become less ignorant, help yourself and everyone you interact with.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:39PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:39PM (#525536)

      I have yet to see anyone on this site argue much for gun control. Maybe here and there, but it is definitely not a narrative on SN. You just want a platform to rant on, your own soapbox where you can vent your personal frustrations about the world. You're the worst.

    • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Lagg on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:42PM

      by Lagg (105) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @05:42PM (#525537) Homepage Journal

      Hm, is prog the new slang for something stupid and twitter based? Anyway, nah I'm going to have to say that I've never seen someone with a vote inside a behind-belt holster hovering near people to be irritating because they think they're badasses. Also, given that democrats have changed so much that the meaning of republican and democrat has swapped since Lincoln's time directly contradicts what you're saying. And the identity politics embraced by both parties with such speed and enthusiasm they forget who they're calling what further contradicts it. You're buying into those identity politics by forgetting that people and parties switch platforms. People aren't static. What you call a "democrat" is what your brain fears. That's all.

      Also fucking please with this "you guys". I understand the convenience factor since I do lean a bit towards an open mindset. I'm just not though. I've been told my association is "independent". But I don't like the people who call themselves that and I don't think it fits. I'm not going to suddenly turn into the guy you think I'm going to. The binary thinking and willfully restricting myself to this tiny little bitch-baby of a country's values has been out of my mindset for long enough that I'm used to it. And will serve me well later.

        I'm actually pretty heavily against overreaching gun control. Thing is though. If I don't see value in owning or using them anymore because of just how little they're worth the conflict. I don't personally have any reason to think the majority of america that has guns can figure out personal responsibility with such a tool.

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    • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Thexalon on Wednesday June 14 2017, @07:50PM (29 children)

      by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @07:50PM (#525632)

      If voting really had the power to upset the system, they'd have found a way to make illegal a long time ago.

      By the time that a candidate has gotten close to actually winning a seat in Washington, s/he has already met the approval of the businesses that pretty much own the place. Candidates that don't do that receive no media coverage and lose because nobody has heard of them or their party.

      And for what it's worth, I'm still in support of some gun control, even though I'm further to the left than the Democratic Party and it was Republicans shot by somebody else further to the left than the Democratic Party. Basically, what I have in mind is checks for criminal record and mental illness before someone can buy a gun, a licensing requirement that would be similar to the current conceal carry licenses, and a safe storage program so that responsible gun owners are less likely to have their guns stolen by the bad guys. That won't be perfect, because good guys can snap and become bad guys, but it at least would make it harder for people who are already bad guys.

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      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:05PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:05PM (#525640)
      • (Score: 2) by jmorris on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:13PM (27 children)

        by jmorris (4844) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:13PM (#525645)

        Take a look around you. The Powers that Be (the ones with both the R and the D brands) thought they HAD made voting ineffectual, why do you think they totally lost it when Trump won? Say what you will about Trump, it is clear they Powers that Be are terrified of him because they do not think they can control him. We shall see what comes, it is certainly off script at this point. But I voted for it because it is better than the war with Russia that Hillary and the Powers that Be had planned out.

        • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:25PM

          by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:25PM (#525652)

          Yeah I wish!

          The GOP realized Trump commanded the demographics so they quickly welcomed him into the fold. Your little "upset" was immediately integrated with their game plan and Trump simply is not capable of throwing them off. He is a puppet, a loud obnoxious near-perfect puppet. His major accomplishment? Being so shitty that they are constantly in damage control mode, but that just means the annoyance of a few extra appearances on talk shows.

        • (Score: 4, Touché) by Soylentbob on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:49PM (5 children)

          by Soylentbob (6519) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:49PM (#525661)

          So, instead of "The powers that Be" destabilizing the middle east, helping the weapons industry to make more money, exploiting the lower class, destroying the environment, bending over for the NRA and increasing surveillance and growing the swamp by installing cronies left right and centre, you have now the Trumpinator, destabilizing the middle east, helping the weapons industry to make more money, exploiting the lower class, destroying the environment, bending over for the NRA and increasing surveillance and growing the swamp by installing cronies left right and centre. And building the biggest swamp you've ever seen. A great swamp. Really amazing. With short sentences. On twitter. Really amazing.

          And instead of having a strong opponent to Russia with all their human rights issues, you have now someone who might actually be in their pocket.

          So sad.

          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:17PM (4 children)

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:17PM (#525989) Journal

            And instead of having a strong opponent to Russia with all their human rights issues, you have now someone who might actually be in their pocket.

            So sad.

            Russia with all their human rights issues? Really? Is that something Americans can harp on anymore? They rather surrendered that good guy stuff two decades ago when they decided to go all butch and start torturing people. For me, that pretty much abnegates any and all other claim to any moral high ground at all, but for giggles let's also throw out there a total police state surveillance system, detaining people indefinitely without charges or due legal process, assassinating American citizens with drones, and having the highest members of the federal government openly and brazenly subverting the law.

            Against all that, can anybody really throw stones at Russia?

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            • (Score: 2) by Soylentbob on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:49PM (3 children)

              by Soylentbob (6519) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:49PM (#526003)

              I have some Russian colleagues, and they are often slightly amused when I talk to them about the issues I see with human rights here in Germany... I think it's all grey, but some grey is slightly darker than the other, and while I consider Putin an accomplished politician, I'm still quite happy not to live in Russia.

              • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:58PM (2 children)

                by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:58PM (#526006) Journal

                I'm still quite happy not to live in Russia.

                Well sure. It's very cold and the life expectancy for men is 45 years. And they write their "R"'s backwards. On the other hand, it's acceptable to have two vodkas at lunch and the women are beautiful and the popular culture dark enough to warm the cockles of a hipster's heart.

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                • (Score: 2) by DECbot on Thursday June 15 2017, @05:25PM (1 child)

                  by DECbot (832) on Thursday June 15 2017, @05:25PM (#526099) Journal

                  [I]t's acceptable to have two vodkas at lunch and the women are beautiful and the popular culture dark enough to warm the cockles of a hipster's heart

                  So, you're telling me I get all of that in addition to removing 30 of the most painful years of my life? Where's the signup sheet or do I have to do the NSA/Snowden thing first?

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                  • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:04PM

                    by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:04PM (#526205) Journal

                    It's not the years in your life, but the life in your years, tovarich. How much heroism you practice in between is purely optional.

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        • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:56PM (14 children)

          by Thexalon (636) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @08:56PM (#525662)

          it is clear they Powers that Be are terrified of him because they do not think they can control him.

          If you look at what Trump has actually done, and what guys like Paul Ryan wanted to do and George W Bush did, they aren't all that different. Donald Trump may be the bad boy of the cabal, but he's part of the cabal. When it comes to policy, Donald Trump does what he's told, just like most everybody else in Washington.

          Of course, to understand this, you have to ignore the soap opera drama cooked up by the media that dominates most politics coverage. Look at budgets, policy changes, laws passed, executive orders, and you'll see that Trump is just like any other Republican would have been.

          If the Powers That Be were really terrified of him, the news networks would not have slavishly covered his campaign, and the Democratic Party and Hillary Clinton would not have pushed for him to be the Republican nominee behind the scenes.

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          • (Score: 2, Flamebait) by jmorris on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:17PM (9 children)

            by jmorris (4844) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:17PM (#525671)

            They were sure they could beat Trump. That is why they pushed him to get the Republican nomination. Yea, they really were that dumb. Most people started having a sneaking suspicion Trump wasn't nearly as incompetent as 'everyone' thought around about Convention time, but they kept right on believing a hot mess like HRC could easily beat him right into the first two hours of election night coverage. Aren't you glad people that dumb aren't running everything for a brief moment? Aren't you glad we aren't at war with Russia? That we aren't supporting the Muslim Brotherhood and ISIS anymore? And did I not predict electing Trump would bring Republican and Democrats in Congress together in bipartisan opposition and has this not happened? Has this not brought much needed clarity to the extent of the problem we face with the Uniparty? And if unmoved by any of those rational arguments, are you not at least entertained? :)

            • (Score: 5, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:26PM (7 children)

              by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Wednesday June 14 2017, @09:26PM (#525678) Journal

              Drumpf *is* incompetent. It's just that the Dems 1) were corrupt and infighting and 2) seriously underestimated just how much of a pack of irredeemable degenerates most of the US voting public is. This was an inevitability, a bad idea whose time had come. But the orange shitbag has *no idea* how he got up there or what he's doing and lordy lordy does it show.

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              • (Score: 2, Touché) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:56AM (6 children)

                by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 15 2017, @12:56AM (#525785) Journal

                "irredeemable degenerates"

                That's pretty funny coming from 'Zumi.

                • (Score: 2, Informative) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday June 15 2017, @07:54AM (5 children)

                  by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday June 15 2017, @07:54AM (#525909) Journal

                  Please, you aren't fit to tie my shoes, and that lame attempt to even suggest I'm the same kind of subhuman as you only makes you look worse.

                  Not, though, as bad as the fact that you're so unaware of how people see you that you even thought for a moment that would work. Ye gods. You are your own worst enemy, has anyone ever told you that?

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                  • (Score: 1, Troll) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:22PM (4 children)

                    by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:22PM (#526017) Journal

                    "same kind of subhuman as you"

                    I made no such suggestion.

                    "unaware of how people see you"

                    So, it's a popularity contest? I'll just let you win. Seriously, I'm not even interested in competing.

                    "you aren't fit to tie my shoes"

                    More funny stuff. I don't tie shoes. Not since my youngest son learned to tie his own shoes, anyway. Then, he got smart, and stopped tying shoes.
                    http://dungarees.net/product_Wolverine_W02429_Raider_MultiShox_Contour_Welt_-986-1.html [dungarees.net]

                    So, if you're still tying shoes, you're way behind the curve. Yes, I am unfit to tie your shoes.

                    Meanwhile, you are by far the champion degenerate, and way out of my class.

                    • (Score: 2) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday June 15 2017, @04:09PM (3 children)

                      by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday June 15 2017, @04:09PM (#526074) Journal

                      See, this is one of those things where the proper response to you isn't a yes or a no; it's "mu" (void, emptiness, "un-ask the question," "not even wrong"). You're so far out to lunch your mind, such as it is, is overdrawing its expense account.

                      But keep replying, please; with every post you further prove my point, viz., "Runaway has forgotten the First Rule of Holes, and indeed is such an un-self-aware individual he doesn't even know he's *in* a hole." Uzzard has the same problem. Neither of you know when to lay down and shut up.

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                      • (Score: 1, Offtopic) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 15 2017, @05:34PM (2 children)

                        by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 15 2017, @05:34PM (#526104) Journal

                        Do not go gentle into that good night,
                        Old age should burn and rave at close of day;
                        Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                        Though wise men at their end know dark is right,
                        Because their words had forked no lightning they
                        Do not go gentle into that good night.

                        Good men, the last wave by, crying how bright
                        Their frail deeds might have danced in a green bay,
                        Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                        Wild men who caught and sang the sun in flight,
                        And learn, too late, they grieved it on its way,
                        Do not go gentle into that good night.

                        Grave men, near death, who see with blinding sight
                        Blind eyes could blaze like meteors and be gay,
                        Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                        And you, my father, there on the sad height,
                        Curse, bless, me now with your fierce tears, I pray.
                        Do not go gentle into that good night.
                        Rage, rage against the dying of the light.

                                              -Dylan Thomas

                        • (Score: 2, Insightful) by Azuma Hazuki on Thursday June 15 2017, @05:50PM (1 child)

                          by Azuma Hazuki (5086) on Thursday June 15 2017, @05:50PM (#526109) Journal

                          Correction: not only do you not know when to shut up, but you run out of material long before you're done making an idiot of yourself. Keep going; the mere fact of your continuing posts is enough to condemn you, content aside :) I dunno what it is about you and Uzzard but you two have an almost Trumpian inability to know when to fold.

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                          • (Score: 1, Flamebait) by Runaway1956 on Thursday June 15 2017, @11:59PM

                            by Runaway1956 (2926) Subscriber Badge on Thursday June 15 2017, @11:59PM (#526262) Journal

                            And, look at the mirror. You insist that you must "win". But, look back at "Uzzard" and I. You can't win, because neither one of us thinks that you matter. Speaking for myself, I just can't take you very seriously. Actually, not seriously at all. I'll see your Trumpian, and raise you a two Clintonians. Like Hillary, you take yourself far more seriously than the world takes you.

            • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:32PM

              by Thexalon (636) on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:32PM (#526028)

              The Democrats being idiots does not mean that Donald Trump or the Republicans aren't idiots. It's entirely possible, and there's substantial evidence for this, that they're all idiots.

              Another reason that I'm reasonably certain Trump is not a real threat to the Powers That Be: He wasn't shot while on the campaign trail, before he had Secret Service protection. Compare that to, say, Bobby Kennedy, who was repeatedly showing a willingness to stand up to the military and end the Vietnam War and just happened to meet Sirhan Sirhan.

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          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:30PM (3 children)

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:30PM (#525996) Journal

            Trump is a businessman and not a politician. He doesn't understand DC. He understands the vox populi, but not DC. The policies, except for the sensational handful he can do unilaterally, are the same as Bush and Ryan's because he surrounded himself with people cut from the same cloth as Bush and Ryan. His Chief of Staff, his VP, his Sect. of Treasury, etc. They are business-as-usual, they like business-as-usual, and so of course they will conduct business-as-usual. They're gonna keep doing that and let the President run around with his thumbs on Twitter, chasing his ego high, fighting with the media, etc. Suits them fine.

            The only way Trump would get anything different than that is to really shake things up in just a handful of ways. He could sack everybody but characters like Steve Bannon, but that would consume the next two years while he tries to find more people like Steve Bannon. Congress, whose operatives in the administration had just been purged, would fight Trump on confirmations every step of the way. DC would absolutely shut down and everything would fall into civil war. He could call on his base to descend on Washington and rattle the windows and doors of Congress and everyone else who fights him to intimidate them, but there would be an inevitable reaction from forces opposed to him who would do the same and everything would fall into civil war. Or, Trump could start a war with Iran or Syria or North Korea and use that as cover to purge DC and recast it into something more to his liking.

            He doesn't have many more options than that because he's not the head of the Trump party, with loyalists controlling blocks of Congress and statehouses and willing to back him up on policy.

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            • (Score: 4, Interesting) by Thexalon on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:05PM (2 children)

              by Thexalon (636) on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:05PM (#526009)

              He understands the vox populi, but not DC.

              Based on his 37% approval ratings, I'd say he does not in fact understand the vox populi. He won because his opponents had even less of an understanding of the vox populi. Apparently, the people who claim to be the smartest political minds in the country need to be told that the message "You will never again hold a decent job, and the people that took your house and your job have had absolutely nothing happen to them for their highway robbery, but don't worry, everything is great!" isn't a winner.

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              • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:21PM (1 child)

                by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:21PM (#526211) Journal

                His approval ratings haven't really moved all that much, when you think about it. The same voters who saw him through the primaries and general are still with him, for the most part. If his polls have dipped at all it's because both the Republicans and Democrats in DC have turned on him with equal fervor, whereas during the general the RNC held its fire.

                I've said it before and I'll say it again, the approval ratings for those in DC going after Trump are far lower than 37% (I've seen 47%, but let's go with yours for the sake of argument). Congress is in the single digits and gets excited if they break into the low teens. The press is at something like 24%. Next to that Trump's a frickin' genius.

                I do agree with you whole-heartedly that the people who claim to be the smartest political minds in the country do need to be told a message, which is that their even more awful performance in office (according to approval ratings) and general shenanigans don't cut the mustard anymore. Their failure to answer to the real needs of the American people made Trump possible, and make incidents like yesterday's likely if not inevitable.

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                • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:35PM

                  by Thexalon (636) on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:35PM (#526222)

                  I've said it before and I'll say it again, the approval ratings for those in DC going after Trump are far lower than 37% (I've seen 47%, but let's go with yours for the sake of argument).

                  Which poll are you looking at for that? I agree Congress in general has a low polling number, but since on average people think their own congresscritter is just dandy, that may not mean as much as you think.

                  However, what I do think is extremely important is that not a single political institution in this country has the support of a majority of Americans. Seriously. Not Congress, not the president, not the Supreme Court, not either major political party. That wasn't supposed to be possible in a democracy, and it definitely bodes trouble.

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        • (Score: 2) by deimtee on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:20AM (4 children)

          by deimtee (3272) on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:20AM (#525824) Journal

          I don't think Hillary and her masters had a war with Russia planned, too much risk of some patriotic soldier on either side escalating until they hit MAD.
          I am sure she was gearing up for a full on war with Iran. No nukes, biggish army, nasty terrain, massive amounts of warbucks to be made, and who cares about the G.I.s who will die for the Lizard profits.

          Sad thing is, Trump is possibly heading there too, but it's not as certain.

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          • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:32PM

            by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday June 15 2017, @01:32PM (#525999) Journal

            "Sad thing is, Trump is possibly heading there too, but it's not as certain."

            It's the only thing he can do to survive, politically. Perhaps he's too hapless to realize that and make that move.

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          • (Score: 2) by Thexalon on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:12PM (2 children)

            by Thexalon (636) on Thursday June 15 2017, @02:12PM (#526012)

            The real reason for that upcoming attack is that Iran presents a salient on the southern Russian front in the global game of Risk that the strategists in Washington never stopped playing. What, you thought it was a coincidence that there are now US allies all along Russia's western border and much of its southern border? And that Iran is surrounded on 3 sides with US military presence? These guys have never forgiven Mikhail Gorbachev for ending the Cold War without a US army in Moscow.

            Well, that, and Iran has oil and natural gas.

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            • (Score: 2) by Phoenix666 on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:27PM (1 child)

              by Phoenix666 (552) on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:27PM (#526216) Journal

              What are all those strategists going to do with themselves in 7 years when oil and natural gas are as passe as whale oil? Does the Great Game shift to securing sources of cobalt? Maybe it's war under the sea for krill supplies?

              Maybe the rest of humanity would fare much better by removing all those people from anything important and putting them in therapy to help them cope with their penis envy.

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              • (Score: 1) by toddestan on Saturday June 17 2017, @03:28PM

                by toddestan (4982) on Saturday June 17 2017, @03:28PM (#527003)

                I'm pretty sure in 7 years these strategists will be playing the same game they are now. Keep in mind they still think they are fighting the Cold War which actually ended over 25 years ago. I don't think another 7 years is going to matter much.