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posted by on Thursday June 15 2017, @06:07PM   Printer-friendly
from the terrorists-win dept.

Germany is planning a new law giving authorities the right to look at private messages and fingerprint children as young as 6, the interior minister said on Wednesday after the last government gathering before a national election in September.

Ministers from central government and federal states said encrypted messaging services, such as WhatsApp and Signal, allow militants and criminals to evade traditional surveillance.

"We can't allow there to be areas that are practically outside the law," interior minister Thomas de Maiziere told reporters in the eastern town of Dresden.

It's not even certain that messages will be obvious to be... anything like they don't want to. A quick look how this can be done is the movie "The Saint" from 1997 where the contractor gets jobs that way. The hard quote is "where authorities install software on phones to relay messages before they are encrypted". Suppose the phone contains nothing of value. Not even the destination for the message because another unit transmits this via a analog transmission junk voice modulated with the actual real bits.

This panopticon idea is incredibly stupid technology-wise and a dangerous setup of society. The last time themes like this were current, neighbors told people in Armani uniforms that so-and-so did bad things so they could snatch their belongings or houses for themselves. And the whole society went down the drain. Oh wait, actually it was repeated after the mustache times with the sickle times. Both failed. This also shows why bootloader locking computer phones is detrimental to real security for real users. Because without it, enforced and silent installation will be hard.

And as for the motivation behind these moves. For some mysterious reason Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Czech, Slovakia, and Hungary seem to have been spared the latest string of violent attacks. How can that be? Nobel prize awaits! ;)


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  • (Score: 3, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @07:55PM (5 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @07:55PM (#526176)

    Refugees are a real problem.

    Indeed. Economic migrants are also a problem and it's uncanny how people conflate the two.

    Your oh so christian solution is to turn your back on people in need?

    I'm not religious, I simply understand basic concepts. A child is not legally liable for the actions of his parents.

    Send them back into a warzone where they will likely die?

    Actual male refugees would bring their families, few arrivals have done so. Not like there's a 12:1 financial ratio in favour of helping refugees closer to home - for every refugee we import we could support twelve at a refugee camp in the Middle East.

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  • (Score: 0, Disagree) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @08:46PM (4 children)

    by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @08:46PM (#526200)

    Don't quote scripture then, plenty of examples not from the bible.

    The future is more open borders, we're in the awkward and painful middle stages where the global economy is getting sorted out. Yes we need to be careful handling the issues, yes illegal immigrants can cause problems, but you scaredy cats are blowing it way out of proportion. Tribal nationalism, not a very pretty picture and 90% of the time supported by bigots who simply don't like "those people" and try to cover their bigotry with more agreeable reasons.

    Refugee camps are often very disturbing solutions with high crime rates and they offer the people no options for the future. It isn't even necessarily cheaper, the ongoing costs would not be offset by the economic activity of the refugees themselves. "Not in my backyard!" indeed.

    • (Score: 1, Insightful) by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:18PM

      by Anonymous Coward on Thursday June 15 2017, @09:18PM (#526209)

      Don't quote scripture then, plenty of examples not from the bible.

      AFAIK, that's the origin of the concept. As a lifelong atheist I have no problem quoting scripture when it's relevant, if you can proved an earlier example I'll happily use that.

      The future is more open borders, we're in the awkward and painful middle stages where the global economy is getting sorted out. Yes we need to be careful handling the issues, yes illegal immigrants can cause problems, but you scaredy cats are blowing it way out of proportion. Tribal nationalism, not a very pretty picture and 90% of the time supported by bigots who simply don't like "those people" and try to cover their bigotry with more agreeable reasons.

      You're making a whole bunch of assumptions there. The problems with open border policies and mass migration may well prove insurmountable. [spectator.co.uk]

      Refugee camps are often very disturbing solutions with high crime rates and they offer the people no options for the future.

      Exactly like migrant areas in the west then? Camps are temporary, when the persecution and violence these poor people are fleeing ceases they have the opportunity to return and rebuild. Not so once they've been adopted as "human capital" by the West.

    • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 16 2017, @06:49AM

      by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 16 2017, @06:49AM (#526345)

      Don't quote scripture then, plenty of examples not from the bible.

      Some scriptures are wise, a lot of them are a not. When there's wisdom it's wise to not discriminate based on source. Wise people discriminate on content instead.

      The future is more open borders, we're in the awkward and painful middle stages where the global economy is getting sorted out. Yes we need to be careful handling the issues, yes illegal immigrants can cause problems, but you scaredy cats are blowing it way out of proportion. Tribal nationalism, not a very pretty picture and 90% of the time supported by bigots who simply don't like "those people" and try to cover their bigotry with more agreeable reasons.

      Allowing criminal, disease ridden, theocratic nut jobs that works constantly to overthrow the liberal and free countries is not a good future. And people in Europe are realizing this in greater numbers. So while open borders for people with qualification and manners may work. For people that can't behave it will not work and either it will be prevented by law or by less pleasant means. It's a equation without a solution.

      Refugee camps are often very disturbing solutions with high crime rates and they offer the people no options for the future. It isn't even necessarily cheaper, the ongoing costs would not be offset by the economic activity of the refugees themselves. "Not in my backyard!" indeed.

      They have no future in Europe either except than as leeches. Which will not be accepted in the long term. And they still get no future in Europe anyway. Brains, education, manners and respect is required to even try.

    • (Score: 1) by khallow on Friday June 16 2017, @02:31PM (1 child)

      by khallow (3766) Subscriber Badge on Friday June 16 2017, @02:31PM (#526432) Journal

      Don't quote scripture then, plenty of examples not from the bible.

      So I shouldn't quote the Silmarillon, if I'm not a worshiper of the Valar? What are the rules again?

      • (Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 16 2017, @04:55PM

        by Anonymous Coward on Friday June 16 2017, @04:55PM (#526509)

        Well don't get bent out of shape when people call you geek or nerd after you do.