SoylentNews is people
SoylentNews
A terror attack near a London mosque is "every bit as sickening" as others in recent weeks, Theresa May says.
A man drove a van into worshippers close to Muslim Welfare House in Finsbury Park as they were gathered to help an elderly man who had collapsed. He later died, but it is not clear if this was a result of the attack. Nine other people were taken to hospital.
A 47-year-old man was held on suspicion of attempted murder and later further arrested over alleged terror offences. Scotland Yard said he was being held on suspicion of the commission, preparation or instigation of terrorism including murder and attempted murder.
Source: BBC News
Darren Osborne, 47, was arrested in the early hours of Monday on suspicion of driving a van into a crowd of Muslim worshippers in north London. He is alleged to have shouted "kill all Muslims" and "this is for London Bridge" in the wake of the attack.
Muslim residents on the Cardiff estate where he lived with his partner and four children, claimed he had previously been friendly but said his attitude had changed in recent weeks.
He allegedly hurled insults at his Asian neighbour's 12-year-old son, in the wake of the Islamist attack in the capital earlier this month.
[...] After being dragged from the van by an angry mob, he was protected by the Imam of the mosque, Mohammed Mahmoud, who ordered people not to attack him, but hand him over to the police.
Source: The Telegraph
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 20 2017, @08:56AM (5 children)
There is a lot of context that is lost to people looking at it only through the reporting. There is a reason why there are so many Muslim radicals in UK - they were given safe haven when right after independence of British India and its division in Indian and Pakistan. While India spearheaded the Non-Alignment movement (which is where the phrase "3rd world countries" comes from) and then cozied up to USSR, Pakistan openly disregarded NAM and joined NATO. At that time UK (and USA, but particularly UK) promoted discontent between the two countries and provided safe haven to anti-Indian-state actors involved in Khalistan movement [wikipedia.org] and Kashmir conflict. Because of this reason, UK is home to large number of Sikhs and Pakistani Muslims.
Like all the conflicts related to terrorism today, UK finds itself in this mess because it had a firm belief in its uncanny ability to create and promote problems world wide without any side-affects. The only reason we don't hear anything happening from Sikhs is because they were part of India and they were handled militarily as "internal problem", while Pakistan is a failing nation, now with nuclear power, that is basically like a spiralling hose of fanatics that is out of control. And it will spray all over its vicinity such as UK and France (which sells them weapons).
Not playing with fire, you know, requires long term thinking. Welcome to the next century.
(Score: 2) by zocalo on Tuesday June 20 2017, @09:28AM (4 children)
Agreed the comments about with playing with fire. Unfortunately, since the UK is also linked at the hip to the US through the "special relationship" and the US seems dead set of continuing to do exactly the same kind of meddling in foreign affairs without regard to the long term consequences that the likes of the East India Company and British Empire did, it does indeed looks like we're in for another round of it. It's not even a case of those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it; in this case it's still within living memory for most of those leading the charge, FFS.
UNIX? They're not even circumcised! Savages!
(Score: 1, Interesting) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 20 2017, @10:17AM (2 children)
The problem there is there is indeed a healthy amount of support for what most of the world would see as extremely radical beliefs in Islam. Pew carried out this exact sort of polling [pewforum.org] some time back. For one instance among many, 56% of Muslims in the Mideast believe people that leave Islam should be executed. That number grows to 76% among Muslims in South Asia. On women's rights about 90% of Muslims from the aforementioned regions agree with the statement that, "A woman must obey her husband." Keep in mind that unlike Christianity the Quran is viewed and literally interpreted with verses like:
> Qur'an 4:34: Men are in charge of women, because Allah hath made the one of them to excel the other, and because they spend of their property (for the support of women). So good women are the obedient, guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded. As for those from whom ye fear rebellion, admonish them and banish them to beds apart, and beat them. Then if they obey you, seek not a way against them. Lo! Allah is ever High, Exalted, Great.
These sort of views are completely and absolutely incompatible with modern civilizations. Starting to try to report on 'what Muslims really think' is not a desirable to go down. There is a strong inverse correlation between views of Islam and knowledge of Islam. I used to also be very accepting and endorsing of the religion, until I actually started to learn more about it. Just because something may be a cultural value doesn't mean it's a good or even acceptable value.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 20 2017, @05:51PM
And to whoever downmodded that as 'flamebait' - have you ever considered the possibility that your personal prejudices might actually not be supported by reality? It's easy to believe what we all want to believe in today's world of social media echo chambers. However, those data and facts are not trolling or coming from some radicalized site. That is Pew, one of the most reputable polling organizations in existence today. That poll, or its results at least, are precisely why other major pollsters no longer poll on Muslim beliefs. It's not what we want to see, or want to believe. And yes, it is likely something that would vitalize far right extremists. Nonetheless, I don't think the correct answer is to try to pretend these facts simply don't exist.
(Score: 0) by Anonymous Coward on Wednesday June 21 2017, @01:56PM
"guarding in secret that which Allah hath guarded"
translation: "wrap your hairy beaver up in a sheet".
(Score: 0, Informative) by Anonymous Coward on Tuesday June 20 2017, @12:09PM
OP here. While I don't judge people on their preference on what punishment suits what crime, there is indeed a problem of Muslims failing to contain the radicals. The lack of coverage of lack of support of radicals is very recent phenomenon, one that coincides with rise of far-right in western countries. Media tells what it thinks most would want to hear. Also, media is in the business of selling conflict. Feel-good stories are not news material. "I like it" "I think its okay" those things are not newsworthy. Media is also amoral.
But coming back to you original point, yes - there was good coverage of condemnation. Muslims formed a human chain on the London bridge, for example, something I know even though I couldn't care less. But the problem is exacerbated by lack of action against Saudi Arabia. Even the moderate Muslims know that the radicals are being funded by Saudi wahhabis, who are in turn being funded by the west. So when they see those same radicals somewhere in the far away land, blowing American establishments, they don't really care. Since they don't care, media doesn't report it.
I know some muslims who privately are gleeful when some bomb goes off in UAE. But who will the USA empower? [fortune.com]